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[–] Guntrigger@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The simple philosophical answer for me is: if you murder someone because of a past deed, or threats of a future deed, you're denying human capacity to change. I personally feel, given the right circumstances, everyone has capacity to change, learn, grow, evolve. Pretty much every bad deed can be put down to humans being opportunistic, selfish, manipulative or backed into a corner. I imagine things would be very different if their needs were met and they were well educated. Most countries (at least in Europe) at least attempt to use the prison system for rehabilitation rather than expensive punitive measures and/or slavery.

Political answer: Trump should be in jail for many, many crimes, not dead.

[–] something_random_tho@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

And when the Justice system does nothing, then what? Let him round up the immigrants into camps and give trans people the death penalty? Let him install himself as a dictator and refuse to leave power? Let him kill a million in a pandemic, destroy the planet, and gut the education system robbing millions of their future?

Because he "might" change? Tell that to trans people.

[–] Guntrigger@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 month ago

I mean that's the problem. I'm saying he should already be deep in jail. I'm not saying that because the justice system is failing/corrupt that everyone should just let it slide.

You've gone down the "if we can go back in time, do we kill baby Hitler" route, which I wasn't really exploring.

[–] somethingsnappy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Very much incorrect on one point. Humans are terrible because other humans are terrible to them at an early point in their life. It isn't a flaw of being sentient.

[–] Guntrigger@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes, childhood trauma can be the cause of a lot of mental health issues in adult life, but attributing it to all human shitty behaviour is a wide sweeping brushstroke.

[–] somethingsnappy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

More so than the prior comment? Hurt people hurting people has a whole lot of research supporting it?

[–] Guntrigger@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 month ago

More what than which comment? I don't really understand your comment. I didn't dismiss the concept of childhood trauma.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Ask those terrible pressure in the world didn't just appear by coincidence. Being terrible isn't all of human nature, but it's clearly an inextricable part of it.