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My problem is less “someone might make a thing that arts better than real artists”
It’s more “someone is absolutely committed to making that thing using the labor of the artists they intend to marginalize and not only is nobody is stopping them, tons are cheering”
Because it's not stealing. No one is losing anything. In fact you should pay chatgpt for incorporting your work instead of just readting and discarding or forgetting it.
Decades of draconian copyright law really scrambled our brains until we forgot there was anything other than copyright, eh?
I'm not saying it's stealing. I've been in favor of sampling, scraping, and pirating since the 90s. Culture is a global conversation. It's perhaps the most important thing we've ever invented. And you have an innate right to participate, regardless of your ability to pay the tolls enacted by the chokepoint capitalists. I'm not against piracy, and I'm not in favor of expanding copyright law.
I'm against letting market forces -- those very same chokepoint capitalists -- signal-jam that all-important conversation for their own profit. I'm in favor of enforcing already-existing antitrust law. Something we've conveniently forgotten how to do for the past 70 years.
Charge them with anti-competitive business practices. Make them start over with artists who want to nurture their digital doppelgangers. That's fine. Just don't tell me the only option is "You must compete against an algorithmically-amplified version of yourself from now on, until you give up or you're done perfecting it".
I just wanted to say, it's refreshing to read a well argumented comment such as this one. It's good to see every once in a while there are still some people thinking things through without falling for automatic hatred to either side of a discussion.
You're too kind. But I've only made it to this (still very incomplete) point by making lots of absolutely terrible arguments first, with plenty of failing-to-think-things-through and automatic hatred.
Most importantly, I listen to a lot of people who either disagree with my initial takes or just have lots of experience with policy in this space.
Cory Doctorow is always a great landmark for me, personally, because he embodies the pro-culture tech-forward pirate ethos while also stridently defending artists' rights and dignity.
Some great stuff from him includes:
Ironically, this ancient video on the toxic history of copyright law -- and warning against regulating similar technology going forward -- makes some pretty good points against AI: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhBpI13dxkI
Also check out the actual history of the Luddites. Cool Zone Media has a lot of coverage of them.
Also Philosophy Tube has a good one about transhumanism that has a section dismantling the "it's just a tool" mindset you'll see pretty often on Lemmy regarding AI.
And CJTheX has a good transhumanism essay, too.