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Hurling ordure at the TREACLES, especially those closely related to LessWrong.

AI-Industrial-Complex grift is fine as long as it sufficiently relates to the AI doom from the TREACLES. (Though TechTakes may be more suitable.)

This is sneer club, not debate club. Unless it's amusing debate.

[Especially don't debate the race scientists, if any sneak in - we ban and delete them as unsuitable for the server.]

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[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago (7 children)

There would be an upside if they could magically acquire some self-awareness, and reflect on why a whole group thinks their ideas are idiotic. Alas,

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (5 children)

Yeah see also his denouncement of Roko's Basilisk (ctrl-f the page), we know it wasn't that important, the funny part was that it was a dumb rehash of Pascals wager, and that at the time Yud took is very seriously.

Wood also doesn't seem to link to the actual Rationalwiki article which also makes clear that Yud doesn't really believe in it (probably). It also mentions just how few (but above the 5% lizardman constant, so cause for concern, if they took their own ideas and MH seriously) people were worried about it. And every now and then you do find a person online who does take the idea seriously and worries about it, which is a bit of a concern. So oddly they should take it more seriously but only because it wrecks a small percentage of minds.

It is weird to not mention Yuds freakout:

Listen to me very closely, you idiot.

YOU DO NOT THINK IN SUFFICIENT DETAIL ABOUT SUPERINTELLIGENCES CONSIDERING WHETHER OR NOT TO BLACKMAIL YOU. THAT IS THE ONLY POSSIBLE THING WHICH GIVES THEM A MOTIVE TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON THE BLACKMAIL.

There's an obvious equilibrium to this problem where you engage in all positive acausal trades and ignore all attempts at acausal blackmail. Until we have a better worked-out version of TDT and we can prove that formally, it should just be OBVIOUS that you DO NOT THINK ABOUT DISTANT BLACKMAILERS in SUFFICIENT DETAIL that they have a motive toACTUALLY[sic] BLACKMAIL YOU.

And pretend this was just a blip and nothing more. Mf'er acted like he was in Stross novel.

(Also after not clearly sharing the information about Roko's Basilisks history, and we sneer at it, I came across this sentence: "then cites his pet article on Roko’s Basilisk directly while giggling about how mad it made Yudkowsky fans." lol, no selfawareness there wood).

[–] ibt3321@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

HOW does he seriously use the phrase 'acausal blackmail'. I assumed the majority of word combinations for 'acausal' + noun were just jokes from people on here but apparently not.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Ikr, literally a plot point from Charles Stross Singularity Sky (2003) series and they take it seriously. (Which fits a pattern, CW: sexual abuse

spoilerYuds math pets thing also has a similarity to the horrible sadist torture scene in the last rifter series book (2004) in which a woman gets horribly abused more if she answers question wrong. (with the added plot twist that the torturer isn't as smart as he thinks he is and is partially wrong about the questions he 'rewards' (which could be some 4d chess move but doubtful)). Anyway, not the greatest read. Esp 2 decades later, when a lot of the weird science fiction terms used in the books have taken a very alt-right/dark enlightenment turn (which makes me wonder if they stole that).
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