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[–] Darorad@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The Democrats having practically negative effectiveness is still infinitely more effective.

Obviously voting for dems isn't going to produce the fundamental changes we need, neither is voting third party or not voting.

Dems will at best slightly slow our descent into fascism. That gives us slightly more time to build dual power and engage in direct action.

We're far behind, and need every second of time we can squeeze in.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 2 points 2 days ago

The Democratic establishment has absolutely dominated Democratic policy and messaging for at at least 50 years now. The Republicans have a super majority in the Supreme Court, the House, the Senate, the Presidency, the majority of state governors, and an astounding majority of state legislators.

Establishment Democrats couldn't possibly be bigger losers. You don't think that maybe it's time to review Democratic strategy and leadership?

The establishment loves to scapegoat progressives but, Kamala ran and lost on the most centrist strategy arguably possible. The only thing remotely progressive about her was her race and gender. That's the neoliberal way, to run a token candidate that doesn't even have the support of her own demographics.

The biggest delusion in Democratic politics is the idea that voters all sit on a left to right spectrum with victory going to whichever side captures the middle. It was a poor model in the 90s, and it's disastrously wrong today.