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How Lemmy public modlog allows to call out toxic and troll users, and should we have a community about this? (self.fedigrow)
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I noticed today an occurence of a user complaining about Lemmy being worse then Reddit. The modlogs shows how toxic they are. When this was pointed out, the user deletes their account

https://web.archive.org/web/20241217101003/https://sopuli.xyz/post/20276017?scrollToComments=true

Deleted account: https://kbin.melroy.org/u/Pyrin

This seems to address the question that comes up once in a while "a public modlog is only useful for mods" (https://feddit.org/post/4920887/3235141), while we can see from this example that it can also be useful for toxic users.

As you may know, !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com is a community dedicated to calling out power tripping mods.

Should we consider having a similar community for toxic users?

There is already !fediverselore@lemmy.ca, but I feel like the "lore" is more about large-scale events (like the cats wave recently) than specific users events.

Edit: Updated the title, and put the emphasis on creating a community to call out toxic users rather than "dunking" on the users that was banned.

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[–] drspod@lemmy.ml 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Fedigrow:

To discuss how to grow and manage communities / magazines on Lemmy, Mbin, Piefed and Sublinks

How is this post relevant to this community? You posted it here because you're a moderator so you know it won't be removed?

Dunking on someone who was (rightfully) banned isn't the kind of post that fosters good community interactions. The moderation system works, that's great. Can we not give more oxygen to the troll's commentary?

[–] Blaze 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

As I stated on the OP

Not sure where to post this, but I guess this can be seen as “growing the nice atmosphere of Lemmy”

I was also suggesting to maybe open another community for this kind of reports, so that fit indeed the purpose of Fedigrow.

Dunking on someone who was (rightfully) banned The moderation system works, that’s great. Can we not give more oxygen to the troll’s commentary?

In this case, it doesn't seem like they were banned, just that they deleted their account. Not 100% sure as Mbin interface might look different from Lemmy (where "banned" is visible when someone is banned).

So it's not sure that it was the moderation system that worked in this case, more the modlog.

In any case, this post can be used as an evidence when people as "how does a public modlog make Lemmy better than Reddit", which is a question that comes up quite once in a while: https://feddit.org/post/4920887/3235141

[–] Elevator7009sAlt@ani.social 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

As much as I do enjoy the Fediverse, I feel as if the intent of this post was more about dunking on an admittedly bad-faith user to show off how cool we are, and not the bit about growing the nice atmosphere of Lemmy. Although to be fair I'm not sure I understand what you mean by

I guess this can be seen as “growing the nice atmosphere of Lemmy”

so I could be wrong. Would you mind elaborating?

I feel it would have been better to just let this guy get banned and forget about it, or to start a post with the title being along the lines of

how does a public modlog make Lemmy better than Reddit

instead of what we have, which summarizes the specific actions of the user who deleted their account.

I am glad a toxic user was banned, no sympathy there, but I feel as this thread is a "Lemmy good Reddit and Redditors bad" party and it was started with this intent, with the thing about modlogs being cool being tacked on after the fact to try to legitimize the post. Yes, I prefer Lemmy to Reddit, but I'd rather keep Fedigrow a nice mature space about how to grow our numbers instead of a place to dunk on the larger, competing site. Maybe !reddit@lemmy.world would have been more appropriate space.

I came from the Reddit migration too, and back when I was on Reddit there were some pretty nice people over there. There were some awful people too but you get that with every population. Let us not do the whole "Lemmy cool kids, Reddit all neckbeards!" crap, please.

[–] Blaze 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Just updated the title and the body post, let me know what you think

Edit: hopefully the edits federate, if not: https://feddit.org/post/5768311

[–] Elevator7009sAlt@ani.social 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Feels much better, thank you!

[–] Blaze 1 points 5 days ago

Thank you!

[–] Blaze 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Thank you for your comment.

so I could be wrong. Would you mind elaborating?

The idea would be indeed to create a community that allows to call out toxic and troll users such as the one in the OP. That community would allow to make Lemmy a better place, in the same way than !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com allows to reduce the power tripping mods.

how does a public modlog make Lemmy better than Reddit

I'll edit the title with something along those lines.

Let us not do the whole “Lemmy cool kids, Reddit all neckbeards!” crap, please.

I see. That's definitely not the intent, I'll make sure to rephrase the title and post accordingly.

[–] Elevator7009sAlt@ani.social 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I never participated in callout communities myself, so I'm not sure how effective they are. As an outsider looking in, who has never personally dealt with a toxic user or mod before, it seems like a drama farm. If callout communities actually work as intended, though, or at least successfully warn people about genuinely problematic users/mods (instead of just being a tool to gain public support against civil, behaving users you do not like/a mod who justifiably banned you), then I suppose it's worth creating.

[–] Blaze 0 points 5 days ago

It also allows to suggest alternatives. !world@quokk.au definitely took off after a few reports about !world@lemmy.world

Similarly, the .ml communities being less active thn the other instances version nowadays probably comes from post like https://feddit.nl/post/16246531