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    [–] hersh@literature.cafe 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

    Good advice!

    This is also available with BTRFS. Personally I am leveraging this feature via Snapper, simply because it was the default on OpenSuse and was good enough that I never bothered looking into alternatives. I've heard good things about Timeshift, too.

    This has saved my butt a couple times. I'll never go back to a filesystem that doesn't support snapshots.

    I really liked ZFS when I used it many years ago, but eventually I decided to move to BTRFS since it has built-in kernel support. I miss RAIDZ, though. :(

    [–] one_knight_scripting@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

    BTRFS is a damn good option too. I'm happy to hear how easy it is to use. I haven't used it(yet), I went with ZFS because of its flexible architecture. On a desktop level, BTRFS makes sense, but in a server? What is it like in a Hypervisor?

    I'm working on standing up a Cloudstack host as a Hypervisor. Now, I want this host to be able to run 5 kubernetes VMs, so it needs to have quick access to the disks. Now, I do not have a RAID card, only an HBA. In such a scenario, I would typically use a RAID 10. But a ZFS Raid 10 outperforms an mdraid 10 anyways (in terms of writing, not necessarily reading). So that is what I've decided. It may not be a good idea, it may not even be feasible. But I'm heckin willing to give it a shot.

    I'm actually jealous that you automatically have built in kernel support though. I am a little curious about BTRFS in terms of how(or if) it connects multiple disks, I'm simply uninformed.

    ZFS Performance Sauce

    Install Ubuntu 24.04 on ZFS RAID 10 - Github Repository

    Edit: There are a few drawdowns to using ZFS, lousy docker performance being one that I've heard about. I'm curious how this will be affected if I have docker running inside a VM.

    [–] hersh@literature.cafe 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

    BTRFS can work across multiple disks much like ZFS. It supports RAID 0/1/10 but I can't tell you about performance relative to ZFS.

    Just be sure you do NOT use BTRFS's RAID5/6. It's notoriously buggy and even the official docs warn that it is only for testing/development purposes. See https://btrfs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/btrfs-man5.html#raid56-status-and-recommended-practices

    Edit: Another interesting thing to note between the two file systems is deduplication. ZFS supports automatic deduplication (although it requires a lot of memory). BTRFS supports deduplication but does not have built-in automatic dedup. You can use external tools to perform either file-level or block-level deduplication on BTRFS volumes: https://btrfs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/Deduplication.html

    [–] one_knight_scripting@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

    Thanks for the insight!

    I may have to resort to using BTRFS for this host eventually if ZFS fails me. I do not expect a lot of duplication on a host, even if I have it, who cares I have 60 TB despite the raid 10 architecture. Having something with kernel support may be a better approach anyways.

    It's interesting to me that it struggles with raid 5 and 6 though. I would have expected that to be easy to provide.