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[–] refalo@programming.dev 28 points 1 month ago (22 children)

if you think FOSS makes anything better for the average user, especially UX, I have a bridge to sell you.

[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (7 children)

Do you have any specific notable examples? In my experience, FOSS tends to take a more no-nonsense approach to things.

How does a product that defaults to its own proprietary for-profit offerings providing a better user experience?

The argument I hear most of is that people are just used to what they've used in the past, and having difficulty moving to an alternative because of that isn't indicative of the alternative offering worse UX, but rather an unwillingness to learn anything by the user.

[–] refalo@programming.dev 11 points 1 month ago (4 children)

unwillingness to learn

If you try to get a professional Photoshop or After Effects or Resolve or Solidworks or Quickbooks etc etc. user to use a FOSS equivalent you will be laughed out of the building.

It's not that they won't learn, it's that the alternatives literally can't do so much of what people need it to do. And at the same time they most often look worse, are harder to use, and are sometimes less stable.

A prime example myself, I have tried to use kdenlive for YEARS to do simple subtitling. Every few years I try the latest version. Without fail it ALWAYS crashes within 20 minutes.

Same for Audacity. 5 minutes into clipping some audio... crash. 3 times in a row. And it looks dog ugly enough to turn me off to even wanting to try it in the first place.

Or GIMP, it can't do non-destructive editing, this makes it completely unusable for many professionals.

It's not just one or two things here or there in these apps, it's huge sweeping problems across the entire FOSS landscape, almost none of the options are comparable for professional users.

[–] morbidcactus@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

So I'll counter an anecdote with an anecdote, my dad is a draftsman by trade and was an engineering technologist for decades, he's looked at Freecad back and forth and is now seriously looking at it over solidworks for his personal projects now that he's retired, I also flipped from solidworks which I used professionally for about 5 years before changing roles. Does it have quirks, yeah it does, but so do other cad packages, and lets not pretend that solidworks is a beacon of stability, there's a reason it was drilled into us in uni to save frequently and why it has autosaving. The UI is relatively simple, there's plugins to customise it and it has substantially improved over the last decade when I first gave it a try, way better than my memories of using solid edge (and I personally disliked fusion, just didn't click with me, at least freecad has a near identical workflow to SW). Am I more accepting of jankiness with Foss solutions, straightup yes, it's provided for free without restrictions on its usage vs solidworks where if you have a maker license for example, only other maker licenses can open the sldprt file.

Another example, I'd wager it's why you see a lot more r and python usage in statistical spaces where SPSS and SAS were used because those tools are extremely expensive for licenses (I recall a colleague talking about it costing 10s of thousanda at leaat, maybe more, company was always looking into ways they can get off of it) cost alone makes the Foss solutions more accessible.

I'll be also fair that both of my anecdotal examples we're using for personal projects but the point is that professional users aren't a monolith.

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