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[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 101 points 1 month ago (32 children)

The original idea behind school isn't to educate the masses. Why would a factory worker need to know calculus and Shakespeare? He needs to read the clock and timetables, be on time, wake up in the morning early enough to be punctual, ...

Likewise higher education isn't about the thinks you learn. It is about learning methods to learn. If you can learn the nitrogen cycle, you can learn our scrum statuses. If you can hand in your homework in time, you can keep our deadlines.

This isn't to say the system is good, but it helps to understand it when you want to criticize it.

[–] Macaroni_ninja@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago (11 children)

Cant you find out the answer for these questions with a series of short tests?

I once applied for a job at IBM and instead of an initial interview they sent me a series of interactive tests to check my skills. I ended up moving to another country and didn't follow through, but still liked this approach.

Also in the EU I can see lots of job listings are using now a system where you either have a certain type of education/degree or a certain previous experience to be eligible to apply.

Still you need to have knowledge of the specific field, but technically if you started at the bottom with an entry level low skill job you can get higher with experience alone and without a university degree.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (7 children)

A college degree ahows you can complete a series of seemingly-unrelated tasks (courses) across multiple phases (semesters), to finish a major project (degree).

It means you finish what you start and have an eye on the future instead of the present.

[–] Macaroni_ninja@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

Your answer sounds like it was lifted from a LinkedIn motivational post.

College favours the rich, who can afford it and I don't think people with higher education are better at planning their future.

Lots of people are forced through college by their parents, often backed up with money and safety nets of security - if they fail the first time they just throw more money at it and try again.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

A lack of a degree isn't proof of anything, good or bad (for most jobs).

But a degree is a positive indicator.

The reality is that when hiring an employee I don't care how privileged they are. I care about whether they're going to be a good fit for the position.

There are other things people can use to demonstrate their ability to be a good employee. If someone worked for a company for multiple years and was promoted during that time it's a good indicator.

If someone is 23 and has worked for 10 different companies, I'm gonna guess they're flaky.

However, if someone worked for the same company more than once that's a good sign, because after leaving the company wanted them back.

But, all else being equal, having a degree is better than not for a skilled position, and will usually demand more money.

[–] DontMakeMoreBabies@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago

Not everyone has the capacity to make it through college.

[–] niucllos@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

It's definitely not a perfect system and you're absolutely right that it significantly favors people with strong support and safety nets, especially those of a financial nature.

That being said it's a very easy shorthand for a company to take and is reliable enough to keep using it, just like how financial institutions in the US use SSNs as private identifiers because it's easier and cheaper than running and supporting their own systems/assessments and mostly works well enough

[–] drosophila@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The SSN system is one of the more moronic things the US does, which is really saying something.

[–] uis@lemm.ee 0 points 1 month ago

College favours the rich, who can afford it and I don't think people with higher education are better at planning their future.

I'll rephrase it to show flaw: Schools favours the rich, who can afford it and I don't think literate people are better at planning their future.

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