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As a strong supporter of open-source and community-funded projects like Lemmy, which prioritize serving users over investors, I believe Lemmy has significant potential, and that's why I am here. However, it is clear that its growth is nearing a plateau in its current form. Despite the surge in users following Reddit's API changes, Lemmy continues to primarily attract tech-savvy individuals, politically left-aligned users, and those accustomed to old Reddit. For Lemmy to reach the broader average general audience, meaningful changes are necessary.

The rise of Bluesky demonstrates the importance of ease of use and a user-friendly design. Its polished and familiar interface is a key reason for its growth and appeal as an alternative to platforms like X/Twitter. This same ease of use is what Mastodon lacked, leading to its initial hype fading quickly. The average user is unlikely to adapt to something that feels complicated or unfamiliar, and this challenge also applies to Lemmy.

As someone who started as an average Reddit user and became more tech-savvy over time, I can confidently say that first impressions matter. When users first visit lemmy.world, the default UI is often enough to discourage them from staying. Most will not explore the homepage sidebar to explore, figure out and switch to one of the alternative UIs available, which is unfortunate because a better UI could make a huge difference.

This is why I propose that large servers like lemmy.world adopt Photon UI as the default web interface. Photon is currently the best and most mature alternative UI, offering a visually appealing, modular design that feels familiar to users of new Reddit. It makes excellent use of screen space and provides customization options like compact and cozy views. Unlike some other alternative UIs, Photon is actively maintained and ready for widespread use, although in no way is it perfect, this can also help bring in more contributors to the project development.

While it is important to continue offering other UIs as options, I believe adopting Photon as the default UI could make Lemmy far more appealing to the average Reddit user. First impressions are crucial, and the current default UI has turned off many potential users. If we want Lemmy to succeed as a true Reddit alternative, we need to prioritize user experience and accessibility. Thankfully today, Lemmy still continues to be THE biggest Reddit alternative, while our userbase is still considerably smaller than Reddit, it's the biggest of any alternatives, and Lemmy continues to somewhat be in the spotlight for those seeking alternatives, we can't let growth stagnate, it's high time we make the platform more welcoming and appealing for the average joe.

EDIT: The image I attached is from photon.lemmy.world, which I just realized is using the outdated version of Photon, I have updated the image to the updated current photon version from phtn.app. There are a lot of improvements made.

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[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 31 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Lol no. We need a UI that doesn't require JavaScript.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think we need many UIs to cater for lots of different types of users and then you just choose the one you want.

Everyone having to use the same thing is what killed reddit for most of us.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 5 points 1 week ago

Agreed, but we dont have a UI for users without JS

[–] dukk@programming.dev 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah I mean if you really want a UI with no JavaScript you can still use one, it’s really just a case of better defaults here (and I totally agree).

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Can you link me to a Lemmy UI that doesn't require JS?

[–] manicdave@feddit.uk 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't think it's possible to have a Lemmy UI without JS because it serves up JSON not rendered pages. You could sign up on a kbin/mbin instance though to get a static frontend.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 1 points 1 week ago

Of course its possible, but Lemmy needs to fix this design flaw first

[–] moseschrute@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I disagree. I spent some time earlier this year working on a BlueSky client that would work completely without JavaScript. Working without JavaScript means it has to run on a web server somewhere. Using JavaScript means the client can run entirely on your computer with the only dependency being the Lemmy server you connect to. And since there are many Lemmy servers, this means no single entity that can pull the plug on you.

The only alternative I see is a native app that runs a non-JS client on your computer, or maybe WebAssembly? Seriously though, modern JavaScript is actually very capable. You might be dismissing it only because it’s popular to hate on JavaScript or maybe the current Lemmy clients aren’t good. That doesn’t mean the underlying issue is JavaScript.

I’ve abandoned my BlueSky client to work on a Lemmy client that will be written in JS but can run entirely on your computer.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This is a design flaw. The service that your JS queries can return HTML just as easily as it can return json that gets rendered on the page with JavaScript.

[–] moseschrute@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Write a letter to the lemmy devs and ask them to rewrite the backend to use htmx.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Everyone who has actually interacted with the Lemmy devs knows that they're rude assholes that dont listen to their community.

[–] x_pikl_x@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Apparently butthurt as well if you check out the UI developer response.

[–] keegomatic@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

And in doing so it would lock everyone using that service into a single UI. Structured data is better. You have an irrational fear of an extremely basic web technology.

[–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

can we be best friends please?