I have no release the first pre-releases of the Haveno app, you're welcome to visit the home page to download the binary, please be aware the first build collected telemetry over tor, and fails if for some reason you're not connected, if you're not comfortble with any telemetry being collected you can follow the guide in the documentation on Haveno building fro source, where telemetry is already removed.

We just use telemetry to report errors, that's all, it help greatly in detecting issues the user doesn't immediately see.

Perhaps at some point I'll address the drama, but I'm more inclined to fixed and bugs you might have for the meantime, I've released most of you are actually having trouble with with getting past the on-boarding stage, I have fixes for both of those coming up today so you will see a working app where you can login and pot trades today again this will just be from Android and Linux and then in few days .

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[–] g2devi@feddit.nl 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Thanks Kewbit. I hope this is a misunderstanding that can be resolved. That being said, it's unlikely many people will beta test a binary without source code, especially if the main reason to use Haveno is to avoid KYC. IMO, it's probably best to address the drama and move on. Since you're likely gun shy about speaking out, it's perhaps best to contact a diplomatic friend that can help express your side and why you don't feel comfortable releasing the code and what would it take to do it.

IMO, there would only be two reasons why you've sent out a follow up post here: (1) You were sincere but made some bad judgements (e.g. timelines, amount of work, how much XMR you needed, "life got in the way", overreactions that cascaded, the code is uglier than you thought and wanted to clean it up, etc) and you hope there's some way forward, (2) You're hoping to make more money either through binary back doors or selling data or convincing people to fund the rest of the project outside of CSS so you can scam them.

I haven't decided which conclusion to make. At the beginning of the last crypto crash most people were angry at the original Haveno team for halting work when the price of XMR crashed with many calling that team scammers. They made a poor judgement on pricing and could have avoided the drama if they priced their work in USD (paid with XMR). Of course, if XMR continued to go up they'd miss out on the USD gains, but fair is fair. Either you want security or risk. Choosing one and then complaining about not choosing the other isn't fair. When they continued their work once the XMR price appreciated and released, all past accusations were forgotten (I know I did until tried to remember an example) and they were and still are appreciated for their hard work.

If you are sincerely #1 and are able to express yourself reasonably, there is a way back. If not, #2 will be the conclusion most people will make and releasing the binaries without source code will reinforce this conclusion.

[–] Kewbit@monero.town 1 points 1 week ago

I appreciate you not jumping straight on the bandwagon with others :)

I surely hope it will be resolved too as I have about 200 XMR on the line thanks to 1 persons incessancy. I would say, do not make the conclusion until the software is delivered and working. Then all truth will be clear and hopefully the community will punish the real perpetrators.

I can make impulsive responses that don't work in my favour for sure, and that's mostly from anger and frustration with negative people, it's a weakness I know recognise and control very well. I can assure you on the life of my kids, that all my intentions are good, always have been, those I must say that the purchase of haveno.com was slightly strategic incase of non-payment, because you never know on the internet, it's a he said she said situation most of the time and no real guarantees, I guess my point is I can expose people with a recognised platform if I do in fact not get paid and then the good members of the community would recognise what individuals to avoid and hopefully make some positive change. It actually wasn't ideal for me to buy haveno.com because it was expensive, but someone has strategically registered haveno.app so it was unavailable and wanted to use that. Retrospectively, it's probably better that I got the .com now that it's evident there are (potentially) systemic issues in certain areas.