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Hello World,

following feedback we have received in the last few days, both from users and moderators, we are making some changes to clarify our ToS.

Before we get to the changes, we want to remind everyone that we are not a (US) free speech instance. We are not located in US, which means different laws apply. As written in our ToS, we're primarily subject to Dutch, Finnish and German laws. Additionally, it is our discretion to further limit discussion that we don't consider tolerable. There are plenty other websites out there hosted in US and promoting free speech on their platform. You should be aware that even free speech in US does not cover true threats of violence.

Having said that, we have seen a lot of comments removed referring to our ToS, which were not explicitly intended to be covered by our ToS. After discussion with some of our moderators we have determined there to be both an issue with the ambiguity of our ToS to some extent, but also lack of clarity on what we expect from our moderators.

We want to clarify that, when moderators believe certain parts of our ToS do not appropriately cover a specific situation, they are welcome to bring these issues up with our admin team for review, escalating the issue without taking action themselves when in doubt. We also allow for moderator discretion in a lot of cases, as we generally don't review each individual report or moderator action unless they're specifically brought to admin attention. This also means that content that may be permitted by ToS can at the same time be violating community rules and therefore result in moderator action. We have added a new section to our ToS to clarify what we expect from moderators.

We are generally aiming to avoid content organizing, glorifying or suggesting to harm people or animals, but we are limiting the scope of our ToS to build the minimum framework inside which we all can have discussions, leaving a broader area for moderators to decide what is and isn't allowed in the communities they oversee. We trust the moderators judgement and in cases where we see a gross disagreement between moderatos and admins' criteria we can have a conversation and reach an agreement, as in many cases the decision is case-specific and context matters.

We have previously asked moderators to remove content relating to jury nullification when this was suggested in context of murder or other violent crimes. Following a discussion in our team we want to clarify that we are no longer requesting moderators to remove content relating to jury nullification in the context of violent crimes when the crime in question already happened. We will still consider suggestions of jury nullification for crimes that have not (yet) happened as advocation for violence, which is violating our terms of service.

As always, if you stumble across content that appears to be violating our site or community rules, please use Lemmys report functionality. Especially when threads are very active, moderators will not be able to go through every single comment for review. Reporting content and providing accurate reasons for reports will help moderators deal with problematic content in a reasonable amount of time.

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[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 164 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

I think this is a good time to remind everyone that the strength of federated social media (and a big reason why we're all here) is that no private company or country's laws can have total control over the fediverse.

Everyone who runs an instance is going to have a different risk-tolerance for legal issues however, and I can't fault anyone for making a judgment call that they feel best protects the server and their users. I don't know anything about Dutch or Finnish laws, but I've seen many recent articles about people arrested in Germany for their social media posts that were considered hateful or violent (which is frankly a culture shock to me as an American), so I can see why some of the posts on Lemmy in the past week would be concerning.

In my interactions with the .World admins, I've seen nothing but people trying to run an instance in the most fair and neutral way they can, and I personally trust them to make the hard calls when they come up. That being said, if you're frustrated with the legal concerns of a host's country or have had a run-in with a mod that upset you, it only strengthens the fediverse if you spread out or create similar communities elsewhere.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

people arrested in Germany for their social media posts that were considered hateful or violent (which is frankly a culture shock to me as an American)

Might want to get used to the idea come 2025...

[–] Pandantic@midwest.social 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Midwest.social is located in the US and is also a leftist instance. However, we don’t host many large comms ourselves.

[–] pixelscript@lemm.ee 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well, your instance also doesn't, as of my last check in mid August, accept new accounts, sooo...

[–] Pandantic@midwest.social 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Oops, I didn’t realize that! Sorry!

[–] pixelscript@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago

Yeah, it was a real bummer for me. Felt like a match made in heaven, but I was too late to the party. :/

[–] Blaze 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Pandantic@midwest.social -2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Sounds like you got banned for doing what is banned here.

[–] Blaze 2 points 1 week ago
[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Yeah, if you run an instance, and you decide this is a hobby for you not your main job and you're also not a lawyer and hence you just go "Sorry, all denied" then honestly, more power to you. It's a hobby, not a job. If anybody disagrees, they have just volunteered to be the named person of legal representation for this instance, tbh.

Germany is honestly still a fascist country. People argue that they aren't but they absolutely are, they just try and cope and say they aren't fascist semantically by banning Nazi symbols.