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Rep. Rashida Tlaib: “But Palestinians are not just numbers. Behind these numbers are real people — mothers, fathers, sons, daughters — who have had their lives stolen from them and their families torn apart. And we should not be trying to hide it. These are innocent children and babies who have been bombed in their tents, burned alive, dismembered and deliberately starved to death. Where is our shared humanity in this chamber? There is so much anti-Palestinian racism in this chamber that my colleagues don’t even want to acknowledge that Palestinians exist at all, not when they’re alive and now not even when they’re dead. It’s absolutely disgusting. This is genocide denial.”

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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Not to mention that they didn't join the war until the Russians and Germans had bled themselves dry on the eastern front and the soviets were well on their way to Berlin.

If you wanted to debate who won the war based on how many of their men, women, military and civilian sacrificed themselves willingly and unwillingly, the Russians were far and away the obvious victors.

20 million compared to America's half million during the war.

The Russians died and killed more Germans than the Americans.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago

The absolute scale of the Eastern Front compared to the Western Front is mind-boggling, and American media and education downplays the tremendous sacrifices made by the Red Army and how much they accomplished.

During the war, the Western Allies were more than happy to have Nazi Germany and the USSR bleed each other out as much as possible, and then pretend they were team members on equal footing.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

they didn’t join the war until the Russians and Germans had bled themselves dry on the eastern front and the soviets were well on their way to Berlin.

Your timeline is way off here. The US joined the war against Germany on Dec. 11th 1941, less than six months after Germany's invasion of the USSR which had not yet even stalled out in front of Moscow. The Soviets weren't "well on their way to Berlin" until late 1944, nearly three years later. Your other points are valid enough that you don't need to utterly mangle your first one.