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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

You cannot will away reality. No amount of willful ignorance will make undecided people vote for Biden.

[–] pumpkinseedoil@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 months ago (3 children)

But looking at Trump's plans will.

[–] HowManyNimons@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You're assuming people are going to do that well, or at all.

[–] cows_are_underrated 4 points 2 months ago

You got a point there.

[–] Thief_of_Crows@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Why would the quality of his opponent make me vote for a corpse? Biden isnt going to be cognizant enough to serve his term, if hes even alive. And certainly no president at all is worse than trump

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago

Because the "quality" of his opponent is that he'll convert the US in a theocratic dictatorship?

Not my words, his words with that insane project 2025 plan. Basically from those two, you can extract the following points: If you like democracies and still want to be able to vote in 2028, don't vote trump. If you're a woman and want to have any rights whatsoever left, you will not want to vote trump. If you're a woman and dont want to die of treatable complications with pregnancy, don't vote trump. If you like sex (huuuhhh) then don't vote trump. If you like workers rights, dislike discrimination of any kind, don't vote trump. If you're LGBT, don't vote trump. If you don't have a nice white skin color, don't vote Trump. If you like the environment and dont want to die from climate change, air pollution or whatever, then don't vote trump

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

Sure, that's not the point though. If someone is opposed to voting for Biden because of his age then ignoring the problem will not make them magically more inclined to vote for Biden.

If we're fighting for our future then we should have the best candidate,, not the default option.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And so they'll vote for a guy who said multiple times he'll turn the US into a dictatorship? The guy who has project 2025 for his policies to make it a theocratic dictatorship?

Yeah Biden is demented and senile but at this point I'd prefer a soft boiled egg over trump.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

To be fair, Biden is not demented. He is showing signs of senility though. Which is why he should step down and allow any well functioning Democrat to take his place. Because if undecided voters considered anything Trump said to be a disqualifying statement, they would not be undecided. And polling in Pennsylvania, they state Democrats really really need to win the Electoral College, is going the wrong way. There's a moment in every presidential campaign season where the polling trend lines diverge and do not come back together. It's usually when the independents/undecideds break for one candidate or another.

But it's also seen when a candidate has a structural issue they cannot fix, or cannot fix in time. Swiftboating for Kerry, Palin as VP for McCain, Binders full of Women for Romney. And now that debate in June for Biden. He's had the scandal recovery period and he hasn't patched it up, instead it's just getting worse. So yes. You cannot let the echo chamber keep you all fuzzy and warm. We don't have to repeat 2016, it's not too late.