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I'm a green voter. I have voted green in the past three presidential elections, and intend to do so again this year. If you have an argument as to why that's a bad idea that isn't one that I've heard before, get in touch!
you've probably heard this before, but you've been voting republican for three elections. the fact that you've heard it before doesn't make it untrue, it just makes you vote republican on purpose.
I heard that argument in 2016 and it hadn't become any less false than it was then.
33.1% of eligible voters didn't vote in 2020, 40.8% didn't vote in 2016. Your priorities are misplaced. You should be more concerned about these nonvoters, they outnumber third party voters seventeenfold and are far less stubborn.
You haven't changed my mind.
first of all, there are no priorities, you asked about your vote and I answered. i would say the same to a nonvoter.
second of all, oh wait i did. because you are not really different from a nonvoter. except as you admitted more stubborn... so you're just worse. thanks for just volunteering that info.
you can add yourself to the 40.8% because you're all doing the same thing: voting for the republican party.
People are far more likely to call out or blame third party voters than nonvoters, despite nonvoters having an order of magnitude larger effect on the outcome. I wasn't meaning to call you out specifically.
However, I think you should probably stop encouraging third party and nonvoters to vote for republicans. That doesn't seem to be in your best interest.
they do it because at least nonvoters can say they're too lazy or apathetic. the fact that you get your ass all the way to the ballot box to essentially do the same thing does attract some attention.
also take your threats to someone who thinks it holds any weight; i personally don't give a shit if you vote republican or third party or not at all, cause as I've been saying, they're the same vote. if you don't vote D you're voting R one way or another.
... Is far easier to convince someone who hasn't already made up their mind. Spend your time productively.
I do not make threats. I have never made any threats. Your argument reads far more as encouragement to vote for an R instead of a D. That is an unwise argument to make if you care about maximizing the number of D votes.
But I'm voting G regardless. Goodbye!
you were the one who invited people, i don't give a shit either way
He is voting R in a way that makes him feel good. There is no argument to be made against a position where no logic was applied.
Bro, you're 13 replied deep stop pretending.
I'm replying to your inane points, i don't care about who you vote for.
no ur inane
wow that for sure showed me
Because of the nature of FPTP voting it only matters if you're in a swing state. If you're voting green from a solidly blue state, keep at it, but if you're in i.e. Michigan or Nevada, please reconsider.
My only regret in 2016 was not living in a swing state. I know how ftpt works.
Democrats can earn my vote by implementing ranked choice voting. They're a solid 3rd choice pick on the ballot.
It's FPTP, but ok.
In that system, it is two-party and people who didn't vote for the opponent of the winner, gave their vote to the winner (it was one less vote needed to win). You can never win with your candidate but you make the winning side need one less vote...just like if you voted for them. In some cases, like green party, they would only vote blue if they literally had no choice but red and blue. So they are always taking a vote away from blue. Every single election, green party voters have only helped the GOP. Like libertarians voting third party only ever helps the Democrats.
Democrats have had many opportunities to push for ranked choice voting but chose not to. How is ftpt the fault of the parties that have never had the power to do anything about it?
It is F P T P....and yeah, full voting reform takes time. SOME STATES have ranked choice or at least a representative split of their electoral votes instead of winner take all...just like SOME STATES started with weed legalization and it spread, SOME STATES started with abolishing slavery and it spread....we are JUST getting it going and we might lose any chance at it if p2025 gets pushed through and we lose all hope of it. Read about p2025 and the entrenchment of garbage people into every facit of our government so we don't have a chance of it spreading ever again....assuming we get to actually vote (and not end up with a Russian "democracy").
It is just a confluence of bad timings as inaction was finally starting to become change.
I have a question...do you actually expect them to ever win without voting reform?
If it wasn't for democrats and republicans spoiling the election, yes!
so, no.
Not voting for a party decreaces their odds of winning.
cool, i'm sure glad inaction is virtuous, makes being lazy feel better
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The smaller party is the spoiler, and the big parties wont just....not run. Barring electoral reform, under what circumstances do you think they could actually win? Please remember to account for strategic voting
I mean I was green but I left it after the party nominees were all garbage rich fucks who mostly just seem to like being popular and having money.
Plus after the hissy fit of blaming other parties for not getting their own paperwork in order and demanding the party members not vote in protest which doesn't respect the importance of voting.
But hey you do you.
Is there a party without rich fucks? I would prefer that but I'm yet to find one.
Not really but I don't need to support another one who brags about getting air time in Russia because it doesn't matter what person is talking about them as long as they feel special. That's a level of incompetence I don't think is better than the current.
Voting Green appears to be the way to go. Current Democrats are unwilling to compromise on anything, not even stop a Genocide.
Promoting this behavior any further is the actual biggest danger to democracy not their permastuck 2016 fiction of having to save democracy every 4 years.
I can't my head around how voting Republican stops genocide...that is a leap in logic my brain just isn't doing.
I can’t my head around how voting Democrat stops genocide…that is a leap in logic my brain just isn’t doing.
My statement is actually not a strawman. Sad reality.
Nobody said voting Democrat will stop genocide...you said voting Republican will. Just trying to figure out how.