Future dates: If you use utc here and a time zone definition changes, you're boned. You have to store local time and offset for just this one usecase.

[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 16 points 4 months ago

Store absolute time in something like Epoch (seconds since 1970-01-01) plus local time zone

[–] BatmanAoD@programming.dev 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Sorry, why would you be "boned" if you have UTC time? Are you thinking of the case where the desired behavior is to preserve the local time, rather than the absolute time?

[–] umbraroze@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Not exactly boned but it probably doesn't make practical difference to store "local time + tzinfo timezone" than just UTC time.

You record an event occurring at local time
You store it as UTC
Local time zone definition changes
Well whoop de loo, now you need to go through tzinfo to make sense of the past data anyway rather than relying on a known offset

Even if you store everything in UTC, you may be safe... but figuring out the local time is still convoluted and involves a trip through tzinfo.

[–] booly@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I think the comment is specifically talking about storing future times, and contemplating future changes to the local time zone offsets.

If I say that something is going to happen at noon local time on July 1, 2030 in New York, we know that is, under current rules, going to happen at 16:00 UTC. But what if the US changes its daylight savings rules between now and 2030? The canonical time for that event is noon local time, and the offset between local time and UTC can only certainly be determined with past events, so future events defined by local will necessarily have some uncertainty when it comes to UTC.

[–] carrylex@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If you use utc here and a time zone definition changes, you’re boned

I'm pretty sure that things like the tz database exist exactly for such a case.

[–] booly@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago

The TZ database doesn't tell us what the offsets will be in the future. Only the past.

[–] modest_bunny@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

"boned"

nice word choice

[–] el_abuelo@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago

So many things would be fucked by a TZ change that it very rarely makes sense to consider it.

You're making a calendar app? Fuck it...some folks are gonna get confused...solved by simply emailing your users and telling them to reschedule shit because there's kind of a big event going on that everyone knows about and has been planning for for years. Hell in all liklihood this is probably easily solved by simply doing a mass migration of events scheduled before the TZ change.

You're coding for nuclear weapons? Maybe consider it. But probably not.

That is to say: there are ways to solve problems without resorting to writing the most complicated bullshit code ever seen. Unless of course you work on my team - in which case you'd be right at home.