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Kremlin says hypersonic missile strike on Ukraine was warning to the west (www.theguardian.com)

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Kremlin says hypersonic missile strike on Ukraine was a warning to the west

The Kremlin said on Friday that a strike on Ukraine using a newly developed hypersonic ballistic missile was designed to warn the west that Moscow will respond to moves by the US and the UK to let Kyiv strike Russia with their missiles.

According to Agence France-Presse (AFP), the Kremlin spokesperson, Dmitry Peskov, was speaking a day after Russian president, Vladimir Putin, said Moscow had fired the new missile – the Oreshnik or ‘hazel tree’- at a Ukrainian military facility.

Peskov said Russia had not been obliged to warn the US about the strike, but had informed the US 30 minutes before the launch anyway. Putin remained open to dialogue, Peskov said.

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[–] nick@midwest.social 26 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I suppose it’s also NATOs fault Russia invaded Ukraine in the first place?

[+] yogthos@lemmy.ml -10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Yes, as many western experts explained in great detail for many decades now. Yet, we still have ignoramuses running around pretending that's not the case. Even Stoltenberg has admitted this on record at this point, time to update your script

He wanted us to sign that promise, never to enlarge NATO. He wanted us to remove our military infrastructure in all Allies that have joined NATO since 1997, meaning half of NATO, all the Central and Eastern Europe, we should remove NATO from that part of our Alliance, introducing some kind of B, or second class membership. We rejected that. So he went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders.

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opinions_218172.htm

[–] nick@midwest.social 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

He can get fucked.

[–] UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

nick, my dude. Save your sanity.

Most everyone here agrees that 'Y' sucks, and you can't reason with em

[–] originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

“We didn’t accept his demands for how we protect member states so he went to war” isn’t the defense you seem to think it is

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

One problem being that Ukraine isn't a member state. 🤡

[–] Lupus 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

From:

Last I checked it was NATO that started launching missiles into Russia escalating the conflict, but do go on champ.

To:

One problem being that Ukraine isn't a member state. 🤡

So which one is it?

Would you also say that North Korea is attacking Ukraine since it's North Korean artillery shells being lobbed into Ukraine?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

What's the contradiction there? NATO wasn't directly involved in the war in Ukraine, now it is. What part of that are you struggling to understand?

Meanwhile, zero actual evidence for DPRK attacking Ukraine, but I guess that's not going to stop western intellectuals from talking about it.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Don't call people smoothbrains please, the problem isn't anatomical it is ideological

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 days ago

fair

[–] Lupus 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Meanwhile, zero actual evidence for DPRK attacking Ukraine, but I guess that's not going to stop western smoothbrains from talking about it.

I forgot we live in "what I don't like is obviously not true" land here, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, for example actual footage of North Korean soldiers arriving in Russian training camps, Putin himself doesn't even denies it, but anything to lick some boot I guess.

You're not arguing in good faith, as exemplified by your double standards regarding foreign involvement, so I know that you're gonna write something about "manipulated footage", ask for sources you could easily Google yourself and overall try to move the overall framing of the conversation to something else because the exchange of information is not the point for you.

I have neither the strength nor the patience to argue with utterly deranged idiots whose worldview would make Marx roll over in his grave.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Hey, with my modhat on,

Please provide evidence of DPRK troops fighting in Ukraine

[–] KLISHDFSDF@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

not guy you're replying to, but found the following sources below.

Ukrainian troops have for the first time engaged with North Korean units

Source: https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-north-korea-troops-c8cf9599591e50caf1c48a98b6841fe4

North Korean troops have already engaged in combat with Ukrainian soldiers

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm2796pdm1lo

... up to 12,000 North Korean troops are training in Russia’s Far East in preparation to fight alongside Moscow.

Source: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/10/24/reports-of-north-korea-training-in-russia-to-fight-in-ukraine-serious-us

North Korean soldiers were being disguised as Russians and were acting under the Kremlin’s command instead of their own, South Korean Defense Minister Kim Yong-hyun reported to lawmakers Thursday, his office told NBC News.

Source: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/north-korean-troops-russia-ukraine-fair-game-us-putin-rcna176989

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago

Okay so it looks like:

you need to learn to read sources more critically
You don't actually have any that say "fighting in Ukraine"

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 days ago

I forgot we live in “what I don’t like is obviously not true” land here, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, for example actual footage of North Korean soldiers arriving in Russian training camps, Putin himself doesn’t even denies it, but anything to lick some boot I guess.

Please provide evidence of DPRK troops fighting in Ukraine, I'll wait. 🤡

You’re not arguing in good faith, as exemplified by our double standards regarding foreign involvement, so I know that you’re gonna write something about “manipulated footage”, ask for sources you could easily Google yourself and overall try to move the overall framing of the conversation to something else because the exchange of information is not the point for you.

You wouldn't know what arguing in good faith was if it hit you in the face bud.

I have neither the strength nor the patience to argue with utterly deranged idiots whose worldview would make Marx roll over in his grave.

Bye.