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[–] Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml 24 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (2 children)

I can set up 20 GW of solar panels to match the capacity of a 4 GW nuclear power plant. And I can set up 20 GW of PV in a year. China installs about 30 GW of solar capacity in a quarter.

It takes about 8-10 years to build a nuclear power plant. In 8 years, I could have installed the equivalent of 8 nuclear power plants using Solar PV that it would take me to build one nuclear power plant.

[–] HumanPenguin@feddit.uk 4 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (2 children)

You can theoretically. Unfortunately, you are not considering the land difference.

More to the point, the absolute political nightmare of buying and getting permission to use so much land.

It is a nightmare for both. But rare to see the amount of land needed for the power station, have to argue about arable use. Whereas, it's pretty hard in the UK to locate the solar without others claiming land is lost. Farm land mainly as that is the cheap build option. (pricy land, lower labour).

But even brownfield land. Once you have the area to host something like this. You are usually talking about close to populated areas. And just about every NIMBY crap excuse is thrown up about history or other potential use. Meaning, at best you end up with some huge project that takes decades. With a vague plan to add solar generation to the roof.

Honestly I agree. It should be fucking easy to build these plants. Farming should be updating. And honestly can benefit from well-designed solar if both parties are willing to invest and research.

But we have been seeing these arguments for the last 20 years. And people are arseholes, mostly.

And this is all before you consider the need for storage. Again solvable with hydro etc. Theoretically easy. But more land and way way more politics and time. If hydro the cost goes insane. And the type of land become more politically complex. If battery, you instantly get the comparison of mining and transport costs. So again more insane politics.

[–] Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Right. The UK it will be a challenge for sure. Any western democracy that's stuck due to the nature of its governance system indeed. BRICS countries OTOH are some of the fastest installers of solar. Maybe we're looking at a mean regression for the west.

[–] HumanPenguin@feddit.uk 1 points 3 hours ago

Yep.

Also while the UK governance structure is crap.

Other EU nations have some of the same issues. (As has briccs nations in the past)

This is more about corperation power. Capatalims control over government is everywhere. But fully embedded in the west.

[–] ByteJunk@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

That's a lot of text, and yet, solving all of that is easier, faster and less expensive than nuclear.

[–] HumanPenguin@feddit.uk 3 points 6 hours ago

Solving politics is cheap and fast.

Utter crap. Solar power companies have been trying for 20 years.

Its not like you came up with a new idea.

[–] riodoro1@lemmy.world 8 points 13 hours ago (1 children)
[–] ByteJunk@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I've considered it, some renewables installation jobs I've seen are extremely well paid.

[–] bastion@feddit.nl -2 points 6 hours ago

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