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Israeli prime minister admits responsibility for mass pager explosions in Lebanon
(www.middleeastmonitor.com)
this post was submitted on 11 Nov 2024
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How can Israel be so precise and effective when they attack Lebanon, but in Gaza they have to kill mostly civilians to get to Hamas
The pagers weren't precise at all.
Do you have any info on this? I couldn't find any info on the target Vs civilian rate of the attqck. Not even how many were targeted. Only some media coverage of single civilian stories and innocent children getting hit. I assume this is inevitable in a large scale operation like this. But, from the videos available, it seemed like the explosives had very limited radius, where even people standing next to the targets were not hit or even knocked over!
Compare that to flattening entire cities, to get to the targets, i'd call it pretty precise!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Lebanon_electronic_device_attacks
Sounds like it was pretty well targeted then??!
It says thousands of explosions and over 3500 injuries. But that seems pretty targeted. One would assume that most of those 3500 injured, must have been the people carrying the thousands of devices that exploded.
If you have thousands of explosions, you have thousands of targets, and therefore thousands of injuries!
Looking at the video on that link, seemingly, only the person carrying the device, was affected. The guy. Standing next to him, jua st walks around, after the explosion, seemingly unaffected.
I am comparing this, to schools and entire cities being demolished, to get to Hamas. You cent tell me that there is a difference between their efforts in those two efforts
No.
Just because someone pisses next to the toilet most of the time, doesn't make it "well targeted" if for once he manages to get half of his piss inside the toilet once. And then you are still left with a huge puddle of piss.
Or rather there was still an insane number of civillians murdered and injured.
Also if anything had gone slightly different in the supply chain or Hezbollah had caught wind of it, instead it could have killed 0 Hezbollah and 100% Civillians.
Maybe you heard of Russia sending letter bombs through Europes postal system. That is about the equivalent. It is completely reckless and has no ambitions to reliably target. It is a method of terror and that was the goal above all else.
ok so as long as it is very well targeted it is ok to explode thousands of bombs in grocery stores, synagogues, churches or streets of cities like Tel Aviv*, London, Berlin, Washington etc so long as it targets terrorist operatives (but likely traumatizes and terrorizes civilians)?
*: not the capital you wise ass I know
Yes! (unless you know a better way?)
not being a genocidal expansionist state that feeds terrorism in your neighbours is a good way to start
Hezbollah's beef is religious - they think they'll be denied paradise if they didn't join Hamas' attack
doesn't matter for the person who joins the nearest anti-Israel militant group because his child, love ones were blown to bits by Israeli bombs or they were kicked out of their house by Israeli armed settlers
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/
https://web.archive.org/web/20240113063836/https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/07/30/how-israel-helped-create-hamas/
Seems like you're focused on Hamas here & this is exactly the mindset that makes sure the violence will never end. If Hezbollah hadn't attacked Israel last year, all these people would be alive.
you mean the civilians who were killed by Israel? Yes they should have been alive no matter what, I agree.
Are you suggesting that the civilians on the Israeli side 'deserved it'?
No, we disagree on that. Civilian deaths on no side can be justified. But yes, whoever does that is a terrorist organization.
Should Israel allow Hezbollah to kill as many civilians as they want, to avoid being called terrorists on the internets?
Should Israel pursue expansionist and genocidal agendas knowing full well that it will only increase the insurgence of organizations like Hezbollah or Hamas in the region so that they can use these organizations as an excuse to invade the whole region?
No, they shouldn't. But how should they react to their civilians being attacked when they're staying on their side of the border?
definitely not by driving civilians who were staying on their side of the border away from their homes
Should they have somehow forced them to stay while they were bombing Hezbollah positions? How?
Alright so we are on the same page on Israel bombing civilians' homes. I might also add Israel is bombing so indiscriminately that the age distribution of people killed by Israeli bombings looks exactly like their age demographic.
I mean if killing a majority of civilians is well targeted then you're saying the idf was going after civilians which is a war crime so
So if Hezbollah launches a campaign to mail anthrax to leading Israeli military and civilian leaders, will you call that well-targeted as well?