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How many goddamn wars over this do we need (lemmy.world)
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[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 28 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (12 children)

You're kidding, right? I mean that very sincerely, this is incredibly well documented

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (6 children)

The rally occurred when the German American Bund's membership was dropping; Kuhn hoped that a provocative high-profile event would reverse the group's declining fortunes.[2] The pro-Nazi Bund was unpopular in New York City, and some called for the event to be banned. Mayor Fiorello La Guardia allowed the event to go forward, correctly predicting that the Bund's highly publicized spectacle would further discredit them in the public eye.[2]

[–] exanime@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (5 children)

So they were popular and then declined. Exactly what OP claimed

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

While Madison Square Garden had prepared itself for the presence of the German Bund, many around New York City considered the Nazi sect less welcome in their city. About 100,000 anti-Nazi protesters gathered around the arena in protest of the Bund, carrying signs stating "Smash Anti-Semitism" and "Drive the Nazis Out of New York".[6] A total of three attempts were made to break the arm-linking lines of police, the first of these, a group of World War One Veterans, wrapped in Stars and Stripes, were held off by police on mounted horseback, the next, a "burly man carrying an American flag" and finally, a Trotskyist group known as the Socialist Workers Party, who like those before, had their efforts halted by police.[4]

If you gather a crowd of 100,000 counter-protesters, several times larger than your own rally, not sure how 'popular' you are.

[–] exanime@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Again, not popular anymore at that point.

To prove the point you seem to ba making, you'd need to find a quote that backs the notion they were never popular

At some point people gushed over Mel Gibson, then his crazy was made public and he lost favour. Could I take his popularity numbers from 5 years ago and pretend he wasn't super famous ever?

Op claims they were popular for a while and then not. You seem to take evidence from the "then not" part of the story and seemingly use it to prove they were never popular

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Again, not popular anymore at that point.

It was literally at the peak of the Bund's popularity - which is pretty damning for anyone claiming that they were popular.

To prove the point you seem to ba making, you’d need to find a quote that backs the notion they were never popular

So when someone claims that the Bund was popular, citing an event, and I cite the actual details of that same event showing that the accusation of popularity is highly dubious, the burden of proof is on me.

Is that what you're saying?

Op claims they were popular for a while and then not. You seem to take evidence from the “then not” part of the story and seemingly use it to prove they were never popular

I didn't realize "When the biggest event they ever manage to have is outnumbered by counterprotesters 5-1 maybe they just aren't that popular in the country" was such a huge leap of logic.

[–] exanime@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

It was literally at the peak of the Bund's popularity

According to the article and specially the first quote you took from it, it was not. Their popularity was declining and the event was a response to that

So when someone claims that the Bund was popular, citing an event, and I cite the actual details of that same event showing that the accusation of popularity is highly dubious, the burden of proof is on me.

No, the claim was that the movement was popular and then declined. You cannot take half a claim and make it whole

So if I claim Michael Jackson was blank and then turned white, you cannot show pics when he was already white and claim he was never black

I didn't realize "When the biggest event they ever manage to have is outnumbered by counterprotesters 5-1 maybe they just aren't that popular in the country" was such a huge leap of logic.

I think I will explained that already bud

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