Realistically, if Ukraine only has to give up Crimea, it's not a bad deal. I'm not saying I like it, just that getting 100% of the territory back may not be achievable.

[–] bouh@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Crimea is easier to take back than the dombass. Realistically, the dombass will be almost impossible to take back by force, but Crimea is a very realistic objective, although it's also the most precious to russia.

Saying that Ukraine should forget about Crimea is saying that Ukraine should abandon all territories held by Russia today.

[–] Foni@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't know, it could be, my experience in military strategy is summarized in having lost many times in the Europa Universalis. What I do understand a little more about is politics and international relations and I know that if Russia presented itself to negotiate with a deal that said "if you give me Crimea I won't ask for anything else" Ukraine should accept without hesitation.

[–] bouh@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Russia won't ask for this deal. This was what they had in 2014. Would they have not started the fu scale invasion, they would have Crimea still, and the West would still think Russia is reasonable. They started the war to get the dombass fully, to put a puppet on the government, and to make a safe zone around the sea.

What you're suggesting would mean the war was entirely useless to russia, which I doubt they can afford to settle for.

[–] Foni@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago

I agree, that's why in my first comment I said that if that were the scenario it would be a good scenario for Ukraine. The title of this news is what it suggests, how realistic it is, this is another story

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Only if it gets 100% of Donbass. This Novorossiya shit needs to die

[–] Foni@lemm.ee 2 points 2 weeks ago

I completely agree, I wanted to say if they ONLY give up Crimea and absolutely nothing else. Neither territory nor other things like NATO. Unfortunately, seeing the feedback from my previous comment, many see other better options as realistic, maybe they know more than me.