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Is Python's tooling incredibly difficult, or am I just stupid? (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 1 week ago by zaphodb2002@sh.itjust.works to c/programming@programming.dev

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So I'm no expert, but I have been a hobbyist C and Rust dev for a while now, and I've installed tons of programs from GitHub and whatnot that required manual compilation or other hoops to jump through, but I am constantly befuddled installing python apps. They seem to always need a very specific (often outdated) version of python, require a bunch of venv nonsense, googling gives tons of outdated info that no longer works, and generally seem incredibly not portable. As someone who doesn't work in python, it seems more obtuse than any other language's ecosystem. Why is it like this?

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[–] tyler@programming.dev 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

and yet that all works fine in Ruby, which came out around the same time as Python and yet has had Bundler for 15 years now.

Python - 15+ package managers and build tools Ruby - 1

the closest language to look at for packaging is probably lua, which has similar issues. however since lua is usually not a standalone application platform it’s not a big deal there.

no the closest language is literally Ruby, it's almost the exact same language, except the tooling isn't insane and it came out only a few years after python.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 5 days ago

good point, ruby is a good comparison. although, ruby is very different under the hood. it's magically dynamic in a completely different way, and it also never really got the penetration on the system level that python did.

none of this is to take away from the fact that python packaging is bad. i know how to work it because i've been programming in python for 14 years, but trying to teach people makes the problem obvious. and yet.