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“This is a collapse of the Democratic Party.” Consumer advocate, corporate critic and former presidential candidate Ralph Nader comments on the reelection of Donald Trump and the failures of the Democratic challenge against him.

Despite attempts by left-wing segments of the Democratic base to shift the party’s messaging toward populist, anti-corporate and progressive policies, says Nader, Democrats “didn’t listen.” Under Trump, continues Nader, “We’re in for huge turmoil.”

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[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

They need to fire the leaders of Democratic party. Find new blood and new direction. Swing to the right didn’t help them.

We need better people who won't vote for Trump.

Seriously though - Biden did win. And your conclusion now is that that they need "new blood"? Biden's as old-blood as you can get.

I love how everybody is blaming the party rather than the idiots voting for the crazy grandpa. Kamala was the better candidate. The people are broken more than the parties.

[–] Fosheze@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Kamala was the better candidate. But that doesn't mean she was a good candidate. If they want to win then making people choose between a pile of shit and a turd sandwich isn't the winning move.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 weeks ago

If they want to win then making people choose between a pile of shit and a turd sandwich isn’t the winning move.

They were choosing between a competent adult and the first US president to actively try to overturn the results of an election in the United States. A potted plant would be a better option than Trump.

Who do you imagine would have done better? Trump is promising the biggest deportations in US history - you think an ultra-liberal is going to compete with that?? The people of the United States are terrible - they picked this - they are to blame.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Biden barely won. No one should take 2020 as evidence of expertise. That was an embarrassingly nail-biting result.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

He won against a sitting president that had botched a pandemic so poorly that people seem to have forgotten that he spent the previous 3 years as a national embarrassment and complete buffoon

[–] RandAlThor@lemmy.ca -5 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Kamala wasn't the better candidate. Biden would've done better. They forced the old man out in the middle of a campaign. Kamala never fared well on her own. Stupid Dems thought because Biden lost the debate he'd lose the election. Well Trump lost the freakin debate, but did it matter?! NO! THAT'S why they need to be gone. They got lucky with Biden. They ain't getting lucky again.

[–] CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Biden barely beat Trump in 2020 and is now much older and the incumbent who people typically blame all the current issues on. They made the right choice forcing him to step down but he never should have run for a second term in the first place but instead defeat Trump and run a single term like he said he would in 2020. The DNC should have spent the last 4 years grooming someone more appealing to the public instead of trying shift the party to be more like the Republicans.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, Harris's campaign was bad, but she at least had a chance. We wouldn't be as devastated today if Biden was the nominee because we'd all know the result. What would have been much better was actually having a primary rather than needing to tiptoe around his ego for half the campaign.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Trump lost the debate in a way that spread his message and read like standing up to the liberals to his base. Biden lost in the way that said, "I'm done, let me retire".

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago

Kamala wasn’t the better candidate.

What do you do when the nation wants a fascist and you don't want a fascist? Do you run a fascist just to win? Or do you lose elections?

We're blaming the wrong people. Trump won by stoking fear, prejudice and outrage. How do you compete with that without feeding it?