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I just cited the biggest humanitarians organisations saying that Gaza is the worst situation they've had to work on. Could you provide the same citations for another conflict? They're not just "plenty of people", they're the most competent person on the subject
No, you've selectively cited from press statements.
For instance, your first source is from March 2024 and only states "worst on record" in its title, and it only comments on the famine situation on that specific moment. The only part from the article that supports the use of the title is this:
Now, of course that's grim and we all know everyone was raising the alarm around that period. But we also know that, following that, aid increased and a large scale famine has been averted.
Luckily for us, Oxfam has recently released a larger, more comprehensive paper on famine and food insecurity in 2023 and early 2024. With this newer report, I could easily make the case that Gaza only ranks #10 on their ranking on p.16 ... I hope this helps
I appreciate that you took the time to provide a document from Oxfam, but saying that my argument is invalid because the situation in one of the fourth articles I provided has slightly improved since the article parution, is to my opinion not very honest
Why would you use a source that improved so much since, to support your argument that Gaza is presently the worst situation?
You're right that I only commented on your first source, but then why would you use it and put it on the top if it doesn't make your case? Your use of the word 'slightly' is disingenious. Unless more food came in hundreds of thousands of people were going to starve. To say that not starving is a 'slight improvement' is an understatement you're deliberately making to obscure this. This is easily countered by the report I cited as well: they improved to the same level that 5 times more people are on in Sudan. So which of those two is worse by this metric, today?
Your second source is a single doctor who says it's like nothing he's seen before. While I appreciate him weighing in, I don't think that provides conclusive proof that a certain conflict he's working in is 'currently the worst in the world'.
Your third source is paywalled, but from what I can read it's about the first two months of Israel's retaliation on Gaza, citing the number of 18.000 deaths over this period as the reason why they considered it 'nothing we've seen before'. So first of all they're talking about a period in the past where the death toll was around 6 times as high as it is today, which also means that your above suggestion that only the situation described in the first of your four articles has 'slightly improved is, to my opinion, not very honest. Secondly, citing the death count as the reason for this doesn't say everything. Is a single Sudanese village being massacred to the last child 'worse'? Is more Sudanese being massacred over a longer period less so?
Your fourth source is not one of 'the biggest humanitarian organisations' but rather a single career politician. And it's his job not to understate any crisis he's commenting on. Here he is calling the one in Sudan "the largest displacement crisis in the world".
For clarity: I'm not trying to say that I don't consider the situation for the people in Gaza SuperBad, because it is. But there are conflicts where far more people are suffering and they're forgotten and falsely considered 'less worse' not because they are, but just because they don't even get 1/1000th of the media attention.