I doubt Gaza was the deciding factor for 20 million people, but I could be wrong. Especially since anyone that aware of the whole would see trump would worsen the situation not improve it. I'm curious why they did stay home.

I also guess Americans don't want a woman president and they do want a hard crackdown on migrants. Especially Latinos, who apparently overwhelmingly came out for trump.

[–] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 49 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I also guess Americans don’t want a woman president and they do want a hard crackdown on migrants. Especially Latinos, who apparently overwhelmingly came out for trump.

Latinos voting for hard crackdowns on immigrants is the biggest "fuck you, I've got mine" energy I've ever seen.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 35 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And they will be so fucking shocked when ice comes for them.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Or their parents.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

But they are one of the good ones! ™

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Narrator: they weren't.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

By far, the overwhelming Biden derangement syndrome factor was "transgenders exist and are in my news feed". That healthcare is available to prisoners and immigrants, means that they are all receiving gender reassignment surgeries. This is democrats fault.

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The fact people can't differentiate edge cases from the norm is a general education issue. But their pushback was anemic.

[–] horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

General education in the US is underfunded on purpose. It's how the right have won on every issue that counts. Distracted, lazy, frightened and greedy. These are the levers the media pull to get whatever the billionaires want to happen. They tried it with Smedley Butler way back when and learned their lesson. Have the dumbass voter just do what they want with outrage. It doesn't matter who's president or who's in Congress. It matters what's on the news and who they can pay to put it there. The rest falls into place.

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The Democrats also need better spokespersons. They might have better policy, but the infrastructure bill, chips act and lower drug prices will kick in during Trumps reighn.

[–] horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Only 25% of students pass the civics literacy test

https://jackmillercenter.org/news/how-we-lost-our-civics-education-and-how-we-can-get-it-back

Americans don't fucking understand policy. Doesn't matter how you message it.

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Probably why they need populist messengers. Fighting speach with more speach does not work if you are trying to have a nuanced conversation with a guy using a bullhorn.

[–] horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Sure, I think you misunderstand me though. There's a century of Republicans good for economy and war, Democrats good for civil liberties and inclusion. There isn't any populist messaging available to Democrats that the Billionaire donors will allow to be printed or platformed. Look at Bernie Sanders for an example of that.

[–] bishbosh@lemm.ee 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It wasn't deciding factor at all. People get far too internet poisoned and fail to realize how the median voter is actually motivated in this country. Foreign policy is nearly irrelevant to most voters.

If there is any validity to the idea that Harris' position on gaza tanked the campaign it's in the motivated active base lost interest in giving their time, sweat, and energy to putting boots on the ground for someone that has made every promise to continue bombing children.

[–] bamfic@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

It was, as it always is, and as Clinton said over 30 years ago, "the economy, stupid".

People who do not pay attention to politics vote like someone pressing random buttons on an elevator. They push the up button, no elevator comes, then they push the down button, no elevator comes, and all they know to do is to keep pushing buttons randomly hoping an elevator comes one way or another. And no elevator ever comes.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It was a multitude of reasons, Twitter being in the hands of Elon (who pushed the hashtags #genocidejoe and #holocaustharris, but I wouldn't be surprized if he also misinformed people about the election dates), other social media stopped enforcing their community guidelines to be "unbiased", media was way harder on Kamala than on Trump (including the downplaying of the mental decay and insanity of Trump), the whole "let's try to appeal to moderate conservatives" thing, etc.

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The entire capital class rallied around trump. Bezos and Musk.. media is owned by them, so the bias against Harris, asking things of her they did not ask from Trump.. sanewashing Trumps ramblings.

Your elections where "stolen".. by the billionaires.. through totally legit means.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

They're only "legit" if the people are letting them to be.