Uses the heavily deprecated XOrg display manager. XOrg has no isolation of windows from each other, meaning any app can record your screen without notice. All XOrg apps can also log keyboard presses arbitrarily. Since all apps share the same display server, they can easy correlate keypresses (text) with what app it is entered in, kinda like Windows Recall. Cinnamon, Mate, and XFCE all use XOrg. Cinnamon still doesnt default to Wayland.

[–] muhyb@programming.dev 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Sure but Xorg has been like that forever and until recently distros started to default Wayland because of Nvidia, and there aren't many of them yet. Also some programs don't run well with Xwayland, some don't run at all. You're right from a technical privacy point but it's not the end of the world and it doesn't have to be privacy-invading, just don't run proprietary stuff. By the way, CInnamon will switch to Wayland, when the experimental support is mature enough. Don't know about MATE of XFCE.

[–] Lemongrab@lemmy.one 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

XFCE will within the next 2 years.

[–] muhyb@programming.dev 1 points 2 weeks ago

That's nice to hear.

[–] Mwa@lemm.ee 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Bruh every desktop besides window managers and kde/gnome are still on x11 mostly.
Edit: cinnamon and xfce and lxqt has experimental/preview wayland. (updated to put lxqt in experimental)

[–] Lemongrab@lemmy.one 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes, most DEs use X11. I dont think that is a good thing. XFCE will take a bit to implement Wayland (approx 2 years according to their update schedule).

[–] Mwa@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago

I said it has beta wayland because of this news

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

...is that all? that it uses XOrg?

https://arewewaylandyet.com/

[–] Lemongrab@lemmy.one 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Nah, I personally dont like its look, Ubuntu base, and slow update schedule. I think Bluefin or Aurora would be better starting distros.

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 3 points 2 weeks ago

Aren't a slow update schedule and a closer look to home better for newbies?

[–] Mwa@lemm.ee 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

not dealing with immutability no thanks.

[–] Lemongrab@lemmy.one 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Better for newbies because it is harder to break.

[–] Mwa@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Yeah the upside of immutable distros, but I think nix implantation of immutablity is really great but nix has a learning curve and your .nix might get messy. + many of these immutable distros don't offer many desktops.

[–] Lemongrab@lemmy.one 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Universal Blue and Wayblue offer most of the desktop environments available for Linux.

[–] Mwa@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago

talking about cinnamon xfce etc

[–] Mwa@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

i wish that site showed other desktops aswell rather then apps.

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

fair, but i understand the choice as that's a lot more work to do along with having to adopt some sort of arbitrary inclusion standard

[–] Mwa@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago

l also wanted desktops as well due to it being hard finding a list of desktops that support wayland i just see gnome and kde + window managers.