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Who are the good guys in the Israel/Palestine conflict? (lemmy.world)

submitted 2 weeks ago by Greyfoxsolid@lemmy.world to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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I genuinely do not know who the bad guys are. S lot of my leftist friends are against Israel, but from what I know Israel was attacked and is responding and trying to get their hostages back.

Enlighten me. Am I wrong? Why am I wrong?

And dumb it down for me, because apparently I'm an idiot.

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[–] HomerianSymphony@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

the powers that be (UK and US primarily) already have control of the area (still Mandatory Palestine), and a desire to maintain control of the area, they decide to give most of that land to the Jews and call it Israel.

Israel wasn't created by the UK or the US (or the UN). Israelis declared the state of Israel themselves after seizing territory in the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.

The UN did have a plan to create an Israel in 1947, but that didn't happen, because neither the Jews, the Arabs, nor the UK were on board.

[–] would_be_appreciated@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 weeks ago

I think this might be a semantic argument - it's not important to me if we use the words "give" or "create." Happy to use whatever words you prefer for allies having power and control of an area and ensuring that power and control is transferred to their chosen ally.

British Mandatory Palestine was officially ending May 15, 1948. Israel announced its independence on May 14, 1948. The United States officially recognized Israel as a state 11 minutes after it declared itself a sovereign state. It's strange to suggest these are coincidences rather than planned action with their allies, but there's plenty of evidence in addition to this to make it very clear that Israel wouldn't have stood a chance without the backing of their superpower friends.