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OK, its just a deer, but the future is clear. These things are going to start kill people left and right.

How many kids is Elon going to kill before we shut him down? Whats the number of children we're going to allow Elon to murder every year?

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[–] Madnessx9@lemmy.world 30 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Full speed in the dark, I think most people would failed to avoid that. What's concerning is it does not stop afterwards

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 40 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Note that part of the discussion is we shouldn't settle for human limitations when we don't have to. Notably things like LIDAR are considered to give these systems superhuman vision. However, Tesla said 'eyes are good enough for folks, so just cameras'.

The rest of the industry said LIDAR is important and focus on trying to make it more practical.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 7 points 3 weeks ago

The rest of the industry said LIDAR is important and focus on trying to make it more practical.

Volvo is using LIDAR. I trust them way more than Tesla when it comes to something pertaining to safety.

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Hell, even not having lidar The thing was pretty clearly a large road obstacle a second and a half out. They had a whole left lane open At least enough time to do a significant speed reduction.

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Isn't Elon advertising AI as orders of magnitudes better reaction time and much less error prone than a human though...

[–] lando55@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago

Remember when they removed ultrasonic and radar sensors in favor of "Tesla Vision"? That decision demonstrably cost people their lives and yet older, proven tech continues to be eschewed in favor of the cutting edge new shiny.

I'm all for pushing the envelope when it comes to advancements in technology and AI in its many forms, but those of us that don't buy Teslas never signed up to volunteer our lives as training data for FSD.

[–] fatalError@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I think the LIDAR and other sensors are supposed to be IR and see in the dark.

[–] alsimoneau@lemmy.ca 19 points 3 weeks ago

Sensors that the Tesla famously doesn't have (afaik, didn't check) because Elon is a dumbass.

[–] formergijoe@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Too bad Tesla's don't have that. Just cameras and machine learning.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

The cameras alone should be able to see IR. There's filters over most digital cameras to prevent that, but no reason to do it here.

Tesla is just advertising technology that isn't ready, and people are dying as a result.

[–] cows_are_underrated 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And its also always to have multiple layers of defence. Its straight up stupid to remove the redundancy in safety measures because you trust your tech.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 2 points 3 weeks ago

Not only redundancy, but different types of sensors actually serve different purposes because they excel at different tasks.

[–] fatalError@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 3 weeks ago

For any camera to see IR, there must be IR light there to be seen. LIDAR and proximity sensors emit their own light, but TIL tesla doesn't have any... Great tech...my 300€ vacuum bot has LIDAR... Ofc it doesn't go 130KM/h in the dark, but I was 99.99% sure any self-driving car had the bare minimum of sensors, but I guess Tesla isn't one of them.

Yeah, lidar and radar don't need an external light source to work

[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 weeks ago

reading this, I am scared how dulled I have become to the danger posed from my 45 minute daily commute back from work. 65 kilometer driving into the black at 100km/h

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 3 points 3 weeks ago

Didn't stop afterwards, didn't even attempt to brake

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 1 points 3 weeks ago

Why is anyone going full speed in the dark? Let alone an unsafe self driving car.