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[–] MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Tankies don’t hate Trump enough to vote for Biden.

[–] refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I consider myself a socialist (albeit, not a tankie, since I don't agree with mass centralization of power, since that would inevitably lead to corruption). I like Prof. Wolff's idea of forcing all companies to be worker-owned cooperatives, which will help to take away power from the owner class, who currently has control over the government via donations, paid lobbyists, super PACs, etc.

I hate Biden with a passion. I think he's a neoliberal corporatist warmonger, and he's very, VERY far from my ideal candidate. I'd even go so far as to say I hate him as a candidate. I'm still voting for him though for a few reasons, though.

  1. We have a FPTP voting system, which leads to only having two parties to choose from, as George Washington warned against.

  2. The Supreme Court is probably going to have some vacancies soon. We've seen how Trump's appointees turned out. Biden vowed to appoint progressives to the SCOTUS.

  3. Biden has been the most pro-labor, pro-union president we've had in a very long time, even if he still isn't perfect on that front.

  4. Lina Kahn is sweet (current head of the FTC), and I want her to remain the head for the forseeable future.

  5. I think Trump being elected is going to lead the country into literal fascism. I didn't think his first term was going to, and I took him to be a joke, but then January 6th happened. Also Trump is worse on basically every domestic and foreign policy compared to Biden. Project 2025 is all I really need to say when it comes to Trump's policies.

I think people who shame voters are causing people to want to be less involved in politics, rather than voting for the non-fascist. As Hillary Clinton showed us in 2016, voter shaming is actively harmful and helps the other side win. There was absolutely no reason that Trump should have won in 2016, except Clinton was so full of herself, and didn't care to listen to anyone who was to the left of her, especially after she helped rig the DNC primary against Bernie (as the John Podesta email leaks have shown). Hillary also helped Trump win the RNC primary in 2016 (see: the Pied Piper strategy), since she incorrectly thought that Trump was the easiest candidate to beat.

The DNC continued to rig every primary against the progressive candidate after that (against Bernie in 2020 by forcing all the other neoliberal candidates to drop out prior to Super Tuesday to prevent splitting the vote against Biden, and against Williamson in 2024 by essentially not even having a primary, even though they technically did), and they wonder why people hate them.

I don't hold out much hope for the US to be a prosperous nation for anyone but the wealthiest class anytime soon. I genuinely believe that the wealthy would rather have fascism over any kind of socialism, because fascism will at least keep them in power.

But still, I'm going to hold my nose and throw up a little in my mouth as I cast my vote for Biden this coming election, because the only other option is literal fascism.

[–] Landsharkgun@midwest.social -1 points 5 months ago

Good analysis. But I have to disagree on number 5. IMO, Trump and his cadre won't be able to do a facist takeover, for precisely the reason you listed - Jan 6. That was their moment, the time for all the shittalkers to get off social media and do something, the high water mark. Aaaand what did they accomplish? They freaked out a bunch of Congresspeople, put some cops in the hospital, did some light property damage, and went home. Promptly leading to, if not a crackdown, than an investigation of everyone involved.

I dunno man, I don't see any future that involves them doing anything more than some scattered violence against 'woke' targets, which will only hurt them in the long run due to the reactions against it. There just...aren't enough of them to do anything.

Completely my opinion, of course.