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This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.

Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.

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Make sure you follow this instance's code of conduct. In other words we won't allow bellyaching about being sanctioned for hate speech or bigotry.

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So I was just banned from starcitizen@lemmy.ml for no apparent reason? (self.yepowertrippinbastards)
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So I try to make heads or tails of this situation. I got randomly banned from a community where I posted a youtube video showing something from a Convention. Then I wanted to post a question today but realised that I couldn't since I was banned. That community is sadly the biggest of all Star Citizen communities (the next one would be from lemmy.world)

I took a look at the Mod log and see the following line in it:

So no clean up of violating comments or posts, just a strict out ban.

The community has a pretty standard ruleset:

further, the moderator @Rumblestiltskin@lemmy.ml hasn't posted anything since a year, so what gives here, or was it some other mod that was able to declare the ban?

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[–] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I was banned for saying Cuba was communist with no value judgment of either the nation or the political system. AFAIK they are the only truly communist nation remaining.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

I was banned for saying Cuba was communist with no value judgment of either the nation or the political system. AFAIK they are the only truly communist nation remaining.

Emphasis mine. That is not how it looks like in the original context:

[OP] If the US stayed out of other countries politics and there were no coups or installation of people favorable to the US what would the world look like?

[You, removed as "rule 1"] Those countries would have been taken over by communist regimes due to support from hostile nations... So like Cuba but all over the place.

You're clearly casting a value judgment over the Cuban political system, and defending US intervention in other countries.

With that out of the way, it's yet another case of rule #1 (no bigotry) being used to prevent people from criticising the admins' views, because they can't be arsed to list in the rules "5. Don't criticise our political views here."

Side note. I do not want to engage on the discussion of capitalism/socialism/communism here, as it falls outside the scope of this community. However:

  • Communists distinguish between "socialism" and "communism", as two sequential economic systems. Cuba's regime is socialist, not communist. Since this conflation shows that you aren't communist, it further reinforces reading your comment as casting a negative judgement over the Cuban regime.
  • What you're calling "nation" there is "country". For Cuba it doesn't make much of a difference, but for other countries it does.
[–] DarkNightoftheSoul@mander.xyz 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Side note. I do not want to engage on the discussion of capitalism/socialism/communism here, as it falls outside the scope of this community. However:

  • im gonna
  • you cant stop me i already did it
[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 2 points 3 weeks ago

...yeah, I'm aware that the first bullet point is exactly what I said that I didn't want to do. It's just that the tidbit about terminology is relevant here.

The second bullet point is something else though.

[–] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You’re clearly casting a value judgment over the Cuban political system

I don't see how. Please elaborate.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's a bunch of little things together:

  • Cuba often being used as boogeyman when criticising communists, typically without mentioning all things dragging the Caribbean down (regardless of Castro and Guevara);
  • the fact that you're clearly not a communist, based on how you used the word;
  • usage of negatively charged words, such as "take over" and "hostile";
  • the predictive part of your comment being already mentioned by other users, over and over, leaving the point of your comment to be just voicing your opinion=judgment.

Together they make your "like Cuba" immediately read as "bad", even if you were trying to be as neutral as possible.

And at the end of the day, no matter the subject, it's almost impossible to be truly neutral and not cast any sort of judgment. We do this all the time, often without even realising it.

[Just to be clear: I am not defending the .ml admins and their bullshit removal of your comment as if it was bigotry. It is not bigotry, nor it should be removed as such. OK?]

[–] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Didn't think you were defending .ml admins. I was curious how my statement could be construed as judgmental. I was genuinely trying to be neutral in my statement and your criticism helps me see how I could improve it in the future.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 2 points 3 weeks ago

Yup, I get it - that's why I focused on how it reads, not on your intentions. I believe you when you say that you were trying to be neutral.