TechTakes

1425 readers

260 users here now

Big brain tech dude got yet another clueless take over at HackerNews etc? Here's the place to vent. Orange site, VC foolishness, all welcome.

This is not debate club. Unless it’s amusing debate.

For actually-good tech, you want our NotAwfulTech community

founded 1 year ago

MODERATORS

dgerard@awful.systems

310

OpenAI next model Orion by December, it's 100x cooler bro trust me bro no we're not releasing to the public bro it's just too dangerous and cool bro (www.theverge.com)

submitted 3 weeks ago by dgerard@awful.systems to c/techtakes@awful.systems

104 comments fedilink hide all child comments

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments

[–] LostXOR@fedia.io 24 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

You forgot the best part, the screenshot of the person asking ChatGPT's "thinking" model what Altman was hiding:

Thought for 95 seconds ... Rearranging the letters in "they are so great" can form the word ORION.

AI is a complete joke, and I have no idea how anyone can think otherwise.

[–] modifier@lemmy.ca 27 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm already sick and tired of the "hallucinate" euphemism.

It isn't a cute widdle hallucination, It's the damn product being wrong. Dangerously, stupidly, obviously wrong.

In a world that hadn't already gone well to shit, this would be considered an unacceptable error and a demonstration that the product isn't ready.

Now I suddenly find myself living in this accelerated idiocracy where wall street has forced us - as a fucking society - to live with a Ready, Fire, Aim mentality in business, especially tech.

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 15 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I think it's weird that "hallucination" would be considered a cute euphemism. Would you trust something that's perpetually tripping balls and confidently announcing whatever comes to them in a dream? To me that sounds worse than merely being wrong.

[–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I think the problem is that it portrays them as weird exceptions, possibly even echoes from some kind of ghost in the machine. Instead of being a statistical inevitability when you're asking for the next predicted token instead of meaningfully examining a model of reality.

"Hallucination" applies only to the times when the output is obviously bad, and hides the fact that it's doing exactly the same thing when it incidentally produces a true statement.

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I get the gist, but also it's kinda hard to come up with a better alternative. A simple "being wrong" doesn't exactly communicate it either. I don't think "hallucination" is a perfect word for the phenomenon of "a statistically probable sequence of language tokens forming a factually incorrect claim" by any means, but in terms of the available options I find it pretty good.

I don't think the issue here is the word, it's just that a lot of people think the machines are smart when they're not. Not anthropomorphizing the machines is a battle that was lost no later than the time computer data representation devices were named "memory", so I don't think that's really the issue here either.

As a side note, I've seen cases of people (admittedly, mostly critics of AI in the first place) call anything produced by an LLM a hallucination regardless of truthfulness.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 1 points 6 days ago

Obvious bullshit is a good way to put it. It even implies the existence of less obvious bullshit.

[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 3 points 3 weeks ago

Reminds me of A Scanner Darkly a bit, yeah I would not trust someone like that

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 19 points 3 weeks ago

[ChatGPT interrupts a Scrabble game, spills the tiles onto the table, and rearranges THEY ARE SO GREAT into TOO MANY SECRETS]