I have to say that one minor but unfortunate aspect of this conflict is that we're not doing a great job of recycling an awful lot of lithium batteries.

EDIT: One thing I have been wondering about is the practicality of an FPV carrier -- like, a reusable winged drone, maybe with a deployable chute for landing or something, or a larger quadcopter -- that can launch an FPV quadcopter to do the actual hit. That provides range, possibly slashes time-to-target, and lets more parts be reused. The less that has to go on the vehicle that actually explodes, the better.

[–] IsoKiero@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

While you are of course correct on this, the amount of waste and environmental damage Russia is causing by blowing up dams and pretty much leaving a trail of garbage where ever they go combined with the pollution and wasted resources on burning fuel (both in engines and otherwise), destroying buildings and everything else going on, the couple truckloads of small LiFePo batteries on drones aren't even a rounding error in the equation.

I'm not an expert on what residual materials come from burning batteries, but I'm willing to bet that plastic from pretty much everything on the field has a bigger environmental affect, even the drones themselves are mostly just a plastic shell with very little of anything else in them.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Oh, yeah, not saying that it's a contest or that Ukraine (or Russia) should stop using FPVs or loitering drones. I mean, if there isn't a better alternative, then there isn't a better alternative. Just that it's an unfortunate aspect of having lots of electrically-powered things that both need lightweight, high-density batteries and need to explode, when we're lithium-constrained.

Wasn't even principally thinking about the pollution aspect, just the "that's more lithium that probably isn't going to be recoverable" aspect.

[–] IsoKiero@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Amount of lithium in a single drone battery is minuscle. Quickly googled answer says that there's about 7% from weight lithium in a battery, so your average drone cell might have something like 10-20 grams of lithium in it (altough that 7% is for Li-Ion and drones tend to use LiFePo, so that number might be wrong). In a single electric car there's tens of kilograms of lithium inside. So a single car fire anywhere in the world "wastes" more lithium than hundreds and hundreds of drones in Ukraine.

Sure, it would be nice to recover that small amount too, but in practise we need a better material than lithium for our batteries. Also there's things like single-use vape-pens which use perfectly fine li-ion cell but it was manufactured without any means to charge it, a handful of those discarded on a nearest trash can (or more likely to the street next to it) is comparable to a single drone battery and people throw those away without concern every day.