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"We Have Lost All Credibility”: Hala Rharrit on Quitting State Dept. & Ending U.S. Complicity in Gaza
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Do you have any source on the carpet bombing you claim they've been doing for a while?
If Israel wanted to do a genocide, they could just roll out the carpet bombs and spread them over the refugee tent cities. They'd easily kill 50-100k every few hours. That way, it wouldn't take 50 years.
But in reality, we see 50-100 deaths per day. That just doesn't jive
Reality doesn't care about what "jives" for you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_bombing_of_the_Gaza_Strip
The most perspective-enlightening comparison is probably "By late April 2024 it was estimated that Israel had dropped over 70,000 tons of bombs over Gaza, surpassing the bombing of Dresden, Hamburg, and London combined during World War II.[4][5]".
If that doesn't fit your carpet bombing definition, I give up.
The normal definition of carpet bombing is dropping a 'carpet' of bombs over an area all at once. That's where the name comes from, anyway.
If you're just saying they dropped a lot of bombs, why would you want to call that 'carpet bombing' ?
"they dropped a whole bunch of bombs, yes, but nowhere did it say they dropped them all simultaneously. if the word 'carpet' doesnt fit, you must acquit israel of genocide"
-nonailsleft, exact quote rn
Why would you need to lie about them carpet bombing civilians as proof for genocide if you're convinced that's the case without it?
do you actually think the potential misapplication of the word carpet is the thing that makes it a genocide or not? let me help you with that
the proof is in the genocidal language and intent, the mass starvation, the indiscriminate targeting of civilians and infrastructure, the manipulation of journalism, the unhesitating violation of human rights and international law. its a genocide because of the systematic erasure of a people, a culture. 'carpet' is very obviously used in a figurative sense to describe "a lot, like in world war two" above, not the technical sense your strictly literal pedantic argument would require to have any pretense of validity. "lie about carpet bombing"
Carpet bombing in WW2 wasn't called that because they dropped a large number of single bombs over a country over a large period, it was called that because it's a technique where you try to cover an area with a dense carpet of bombs all at once
I refer to the entirety of my previous comment, and especially my comment before that which mocked you for this.
I think you could write 100 comments but none of them would support your claim that Israel is carpet bombing civilians
I refer to two comments ago in which I explained how neither I nor the person who originally used the word 'carpet' were claiming that israel was "carpet" bombing civilians, try actually reading the 2nd half of the 2nd paragraph of that comment. This subject is a red herring and a very very stupid waste of my time. Further attempts to engage on the subject will be taken as evidence of bad faith on your part.
the person obviously does not know that "carpet" bombing means anything other than "a lot, like in world war 2". this pedantic bullshit you're trying to pull does not fly, nor does it argue against the fact of genocide if true. i have already answered literally all of this before. it is a red herring, you are not arguing in good faith, and i am now blocking you, you disingenuous troll.
There is 50-100 deaths a day that are recorded. Thanks to Israels deliberate destruction of the health system, fire fighters, journalists and other civilian infrastructure there is many more unrecorded deaths. And this is just people "missing". On top there is all the indirect deaths that already occured or are inevitable from the total annihilation of infrastructure. The conservative estimates range from 200.000-300.000 people killed in Gaza. That is 10-15% of the total population.
I agree that there would be unrecorded deaths, but I don't think Hamas has any reason to underestimate their number by a factor of five (5). There's still a lot of structure and quite a large (international) presence of aid and medical workers, and journalists. One can use numbers from food distribution or the polio vaccinations that would easily corroborate 10% 'missing' population.