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[–] Kyle_The_G@lemmy.world 91 points 2 weeks ago (90 children)

I feel like bees are a bit of a grey area. We're not eating them, we're kind of like landlords that give them a nice place to stay and they pay rent in honey. I'm not vegan so I'm not quite sure what the rationale is for bee stuff.

[–] multifariace@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (38 children)

I find vegan intellect fascinating. I love hearing their responses to my epistomology. They all make it up as they go along. It's very similar to religious beliefs in the way it is personal. Each has their own set beliefs on where to draw the line of what is vegan and what is not.

My personal understanding of the world is that plants aren't so different from animals that they can be classified separately from other food sources. For example, how much different is r-selected reproduction from a fruiting plant. Plants react differently to different colors of light and so do we.

It helps to understand the goal of a vegan. The extent to which we are tied to every living thing on Earth means that many vegans have set impossible goals.

Just fascinating.

[–] ebc@lemmy.ca 22 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

I've always wondered if vegetables from a farm that uses horse-drawn tills instead of tractors would be vegan... It's a real question, but everyone I ask thinks that I'm trolling.

[–] howrar@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 weeks ago

Or animal manure, or pesticides

[–] multifariace@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Each vegan will have their own answer. If you are truly curious, and a vegan is sharing their mindset with you, ask them.

[–] littlewonder@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Here's my weird question: if faux leather is plastic and someone is vegan for environmental reasons, would leather be preferable? What if it's a byproduct and would otherwise be trashed? These are things I think about as someone who tries to reduce my impact on the environment as much as I feasibly can in a capitalist society.

[–] v4ld1z@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Depends on the faux leather. There absolutely are alternatives to leather that are less environmentally taxing than leather. Leather needs to be cured, for example, and the entire leather production process is very water-intensive and involves a lot of nasty chemicals. So apart from using a dead animal's skin to wear, it's also abysmal for the environment.

[–] littlewonder@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

You're right about the leather processing. I didn't consider that.

I heard there's a new mushroom-based leather alternative that will hopefully get traction.

[–] v4ld1z@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 weeks ago

I'd say no because horses can't consent to being used for this. Horse riding is generally not considered vegan either

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world -4 points 2 weeks ago

If insects are animals then are vegans getting all of their food from 100% organic gardens that grow in a cooperative manner?

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