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That is not what I’m saying. The greater Jerusalem area has been in conflict for millennia. It’s shrouded in a different veil over time, but the core conflict remains over control of the Middle East, specifically access to the Mediterranean and control of the trading routes between Africa, Asia and Europe. Over the years this has become entangled with religious fanatische, but at its core, it’s the same conflict that’s been going on since people first settled the region.
Stop overgeneralizing things. No one concerned about the genocide in Gaza draws connections to the fucking Crusades.
Historical continuances aren’t your thing aren’t they? History is nothing but connection and ideas. To give you some perspective:
Current German ownership disputes between the church and the government can be traced back to inheritance disputes that arose because of the fall of the Roman Empire.
Other places having different historical contexts that spills into different regions aren't your thing, are they? (spare me your smug tone, please)
The whole idea of Zionism arose from problems jewish europeans had in the 20th century. The "jewish question" arose in Europe, pretty much unconcerned of how long Jerusalem was war-torn. (Unless you want to go so far back that historical chaos-theory is in full swing and you can't make any concrete statements about causal interactions, like "roman ci-il law led directly to russian progroms in the 19th century.)
Seriously: why are you under the impression my initial comment or the message were only about Zionism?
BTW, Zionism as we know it today was coined in the 19th century by Theodor Herzl. Maybe you should open up a book for once instead of repeating easy summaries.
The OP was about the current conflict, which is a result of Zionism.
I know about Herzl and mistyped. I can admit to an error. Can you be less smug?
You have to explain to me how you took Zionism from the meme. From what I can gather it’s about the general conflict in the holy land.
The current conflict is based on Zionism. Claiming that this conflict is a conyinuation of "1000 years" is Zionist propaganda.
The current conflict isn’t based in Zionism. It’s a convenient tool, sure but it’s not the root. The crusades also weren’t based in Christian fundamentalism.
Religion is a tool to oppress and manipulate masses, but it’s not the driving factor in political rational. Just look at evangelical megachirch preachers in the U.S., religion is just a tool to them to gain more wealth.
The underlying issue is a struggle for power and control over a regions geostrategical resources. Has always been and will always be.
What do you think Zionism is if not the appropriation of Judaism (a religion) in order to settler-colonize the middle east?
So you agree with me? Unchanging underlying issues and the usage of varying ideological tools, Zionism as it was coined in the 19th century being the newest form, constitute the core of the Middle-East conflict and have so for millennia?
No, I don't. Settler-Colonialism originated in Europe, not Palestine.
Oh please, the Middle East is the cradle of civilisation and settlements of the land of other tribes, nations, whatever you call it, have always been with us.Just because Europeans first had the tools to do it en Masse doesn’t mean it’s new or a European idea. Just look at China in Tibet, Arab in Egypt, Turks in Byzantine and so on.
Sigh this conversation bores me (the "cradle of civilization" bullshit did it for me).
If you can't see the direct connection from european proto-capitalism resulting into colonialism which inspired the Zionists, then go on and believe in mytholocical notions of "5000 year old conflicts".
BTW: "Cradle of civilization" and then acknowledging that China existed? Come on! 🙄
You should seriously get some education. For starters on the region I’d recommend Montefiore, but judging from your highly prejudiced notions, your to politically set in your ways to even consider outside information.
You’d do well to accept that although European history isn’t benevolent, it’s not the single source of evil in the world. Most behaviours are just part of human nature.
Saying colonialism is a European phenomenon and can’t have come from any other place is the same as saying black people cant be racist. Both statements are just plain wrong.
BTW: Just because two regions developed something at the same time doesn’t prohibit a commonly used expression for one, doesn’t it?
Und nachdem du anscheinend auch deutsch sprichst: Deinem Kommentr erlauf scheinst du diese Argumentationslinie aus Solidarität mit Palästina und einer generellen Kritik am westlichen Gesellschaftsmodell heraus zu verfolgen. Dass es Nuancen in allem gibt sollte dir trotzdem klar sein. Natürlich ist es scheiße was Israel abzieht. Es ist aber genauso wenig besonders, wie der Nationalsozialismus eine einmalige Kulmination des Bösen war.
You just can't help it with your smug tone, can you?
Dein Pech.