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Damning, but nothing that hasn’t already been talked about for a while now. Just formalizing the review. He’s a creep who did some cool things with software. It’s time to move on and leave him behind.
LOL what an understatement
Terry Davis
Went to look him up and the Wiki link showed as already visited. Yeah, I remember reading about this guy. Sad what mental health issues can do to people. Said the guy with mental health issues, fortunately less severe.
You might want to remember that he has done more to advance open source software than perhaps any other person on this planet. You don't get to take away someone's achievements just because you don't like them...
I don't see anyone trying to take away his achievement. The report and most commenters even recognize his contribution.
Also this goes more deeply than "not liking them", he has some morally reprehensible views. I admit I haven't read the whole report, but I have seen some of the things it touches on in the past and it's pretty damning.
Stallman earned his position of influence as a voting board member through his software-related achievements, not his sexual attitudes. Removing him for the latter absolutely WOULD take away from those achievements. Paying lip service in the report doesn't change that. In another era when homosexuality was illegal, Alan Turing was removed from his position in British intelligence because of being gay. The two situations aren't identical, but they don't have to be. The point is that they both earned their positions, and taking away what they earned because of unrelated moral disapproval is wrong. This isn't a defense of any of Stallman's attitudes - I'm saying no such defense is necessary or relevant.
Just FYI, penned by Stallman himself no less: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.en.html
I gave him credit for that while also saying we shouldn't platform him or give him attention until and unless he recants and / or apologizes. Just like the report says.
Just curious what, precisely, you would expect him to recant or apologise for?
See the report and take your pick.
From what? I'm not sure what in the report you think needs apologising for. Did you actually read the report? Is there a sentence you can quote and say "he needs to apologise for this"?
I believe you're arguing in bad faith because the report makes it obvious what objectionable statements were made. Bye!
I disagree. The report claims there are disagreeable statements but when you actually look at the quotes of what Stallman said, they don't match the claims or conclusions of the report.
This is why I'm asking if you can actually quote something Stallman said.
I don't think you've actually read the report.
I skimmed the first handful of alleged harmful statements on two topics before deciding I wouldn't benefit from reading the whole thing.
I think, this is what contemporary cancel culture usually tries to do.
I also think, that this is wrong on most occasions. Maybe sometimes possible damage warrants cancelling someone, I don't know
I agree. Uproars like this reflect an irrational fear that rewarding someone for one reason also rewards everything else about them, including stuff we don't approve of. We see a ton of crowd-sourced demonization nowadays. Yes, you cured cancer but you also liked the wrong tweets, so no Nobel Prize for you, spawn of Satan.