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Amazon (AMZN.O) is planning a major revamp of its decade-old money-losing Alexa service to include a conversational generative AI with two tiers of service and has considered a monthly fee of around $5 to access the superior version, according to people with direct knowledge of the company's plans.

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[–] GooseFinger@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If you have an Amazon Echo (or whatever they call it) in your home, then you already pay them by letting it spy on you, your family, and any guests that come over. Even if they improved the service (they won't), why would you pay $20 or $30 a year for it?

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

What info are they getting from me telling it to turn on the lights?

The service it provides I would expect to either pay a reasonable marginal fee, or do everything locally.

If the Home Assistant voice Appliance stuff can get its shit together and I can get one for reasonable prices I will move to that (or something like it) instead.

[–] GooseFinger@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago

More than just "ripcord likes to have lights on at 6:00 pm," surprisingly.

It knows what brand lights you have, who's interacting with it, who you might be with if anyone speaks in the background, what times and days you're typically home... it'll even infer your mood based on how your voice sounds.

Unfortunately, Amazon isn't required to disclose every bit of personal data they take from you, so only so much is known about it. If you consider though that data collection is a new, multi-billion dollar industry, and how effective hundreds of PhDs in data science and social-engineering can be with near infinite resources to develop tools to extract as much information from these devices as possible, it starts becoming more believable.

Here's a good paper I found: http://arxiv.org/pdf/2204.10920

[–] conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It shouldn't take a subscription to manage turning on lights.

You can very easily do it locally.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] subtext@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Which is why I said

If the Home Assistant voice Appliance stuff can get its shit together and I can get one for reasonable prices I will move to that (or something like it) instead.

Unfortunately, when I looked most recently it still wasn't even remotely close to being ready. Particularly the hardware options.

[–] subtext@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

They say that you can build one for $13.

https://www.home-assistant.io/voice_control/thirteen-usd-voice-remote/

They also have on their roadmap that they’re working to see if they can build or engineer ~~out~~ or whatever an all in one, easy to set up voice satellite hardware as one of their next up priorities.

https://www.home-assistant.io/blog/2024/06/12/roadmap-2024h1/

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Once the second thing happens, assuming it's any good, then I will look into switching again.

Until then, there don't seem to be many great options.