I agree, steak is not there yet. On the other hand, eating beef is a very destructive thing to do. So how close does it need to be to make you switch? How important is a particular personal taste?

[–] threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So how close does it need to be to make you switch? How important is a particular personal taste?

Eh, I've already mostly switched away from beef in favour of more chicken, fish, beans, lentils, etc. I probably eat beef only a couple times a month, maybe less. But if lab-grown or plant-based steaks were convincing enough, I'd never have the desire to eat slaughtered beef ever again.

[–] Teppichbrand 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

This frustrates me, because after I learned about the environmental damage and the unspeakable horrors we do to our fellow animals by the billions, I just fucking quit. It was a long time ago and it wasn't a problem at all, because now I was aware of the incredible price we pay for this food. Now, a desire to eat meat from an animal that does not want to die is the same as a desire to have sex with someone who doesn't want to. It's not an option. We learned that one as well.
I pull my hair over all the excuses. It's so easy to just stop if you look at the facts and take responsibility for your actions. But people don't want to. So they wait for lab meat, and when it's there, in a couple decades, it's too expensive, or the taste, texture, whatever isn't quite right because it's some ungodly blob made from fucking stem cells, what are we thinking!? So they still don't switch and they start arguing, as always, and get angry at the government because the planet is falling apart and politics have now decided to prohibit animal tissue meat because people just won't stop by themselves. Sorry this became a rant.

[–] threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sorry this became a rant.

No worries, I hear your frustration.

Hypothetical question: If you could snap your fingers and convert one new vegetarian (who never eats meat again), or ten new flexitarians (who decrease their meat consumption by 50%), which would you choose, and why?

[–] Teppichbrand 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I'll take the flexis, alright. But only if they consume less animals than the one hardcore vegan. :)
Do you know how you stop smoking? You realize you are addicted to it and it's killing you and that's when you quit. Noone smokes less and less until it's over. I feel the same mindset with many people who call themselves flexitarian. To them, meat is still a great tasting food they have to restrain themselves from. That takes effort. They talk about it, they excuse themselves for it, it's a big topic for them. Because deep down they know as much as I, that it's a bad habit that needs to go. But they are afraid to lose something they like so much.
I was like that. But after I decided to go vegan, I broke free from this habit and the guilt and all the excuses. It's way easier to quit, I eat healthy and tasty and I'm honestly never going back. If I could snap my fingers and give that experience to other people I absolutely would.

[–] threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I’ll take the flexis, alright. But only if they consume less animals than the one hardcore vegan. :)

That's not quite the stipulations of the hypothetical question :)

Suppose there are ten average omnivores in front of you. You can:

A: Convert one of the ten to a vegetarian who never eats meat again.
B: Convert all of the ten into flexitarians who each eat 50% less meat than the average omnivore.

Which would you choose?