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Personally i don't mind the communism as much (I share many of its beliefs and goals) as the tankieism.
No, China and Russia are not role models but hostile actors. No, their imperialist bullshit and human rights violations or straight up war crimes aren't justified because the west did a thing that one time and it was also evil. No, the russian kleptocracy and chinese state capitalism are not socialism or communism.
Can you meaningfully explain the difference in your eyes?
Not a single Communist thinks Russia is a role model. The PRC being a role model is far more accurate than the implication that Communists like the Russian Federation, though.
The West is by far the largest purveyors of War Crimes the world over, and by far the most Imperialist. I suggest you read Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism. It should help you understand what Communists refer tk when they mention Imperialism, specifically a form of international monopoly Capitalism and exploitation.
Again, nobody thinks the Russian Federation is Socialist or Communist, just anti-West.
As for China, they are Socialist. They have a Socialist Market Economy, the aim of which is to guide market developments into large syndicates that are then absorbed into the public sector, which makes up the majority of the PRC's economy. The PRC is socialized by degree, which is how Marx described the transition from Capitalism to Communism, repeated by Engels here, in The Principles of Communism:
China's economy works by that same function, markets coalesce into syndicates, socializing themselves and making these syndicates ripe for public ownership. This is the Dialectical path of Historical Materialism, the conditions for Socialism are born from Capitalism. "State Capitalism" is incorrect.