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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I just don't understand why we can't start the exact same revolution these people want during the primaries.

Are you suggesting a revolution is done within the bounds of the electoral system?

It would make much more sense to win over/capture the party and then push that platform in the general

  1. You can't "capture" or "win over" parties like that, the electoral system is a filter.

  2. You can't change a party's platform in the general with some grand prayer or anything, they will do what they need to to satisfy their donors.

You get real power to get actual shit done

No, you don't.

If someone can make the "revolution is necessary" argument, that should be a perfectly acceptable plan. I think they just want complete collapse so they can try and rebuild, which is complete psychopathic nonsense.

You're right, that is nonsense, please read leftist theory and talk to actual leftists. Nobody wants to rebuild from collapse.

[–] MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world -2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Are you suggesting a revolution is done within the bounds of the electoral system?

Third party candidates and their supporters sure seem to.

You can't "capture" or "win over" parties like that, the electoral system is a filter

There hasn't been large ideological shifts within the 2 major parties? Are you serious? I will provide you an example: look at the GOP. The past several decades right wing radicals have focused on capturing local elections and statehouses, it has been wildly successful for them and has allowed these people to completely capture the party and expel pretty much any opposition. Capturing a party is absolutely in the table, we literally have historical examples with these same parties.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago

Third party candidates and their supporters sure seem to.

They don't.

There hasn't been large ideological shifts within the 2 major parties? Are you serious? I will provide you an example: look at the GOP. The past several decades right wing radicals have focused on capturing local elections and statehouses, it has been wildly successful for them and has allowed these people to completely capture the party and expel pretty much any opposition. Capturing a party is absolutely in the table, we literally have historical examples with these same parties.

Why has the GOP (and DNC) gone further right? Random radicals? No. Fascism is Capitalism in decline, it's an inevitability that the establishment parties would move towards it.

[–] Maeve@midwest.social 3 points 1 month ago

Look at Dem shifts since JFK.