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[–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

what’s opposing nationalisation and public ownership is and always has been purely ideological

It's private interests seeking to maintain their own profits. The ideology is downstream of that.

[–] dawnglider@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Sorry I wasn't very clear, thanks for pointing that out! I'm referring to the arguments opposing nationalisation in the mainstream discourse and not the actual obstacle to it happening (I wouldn't accuse the Labour Party of acting in good faith).

Within the liberal ideology you often here things like "who's gonna pay for it" or "it'll be too expensive", I'm saying that those arguments are surprisingly false even within the frame of liberalism. They pretend that it's impossible due to some cold accounting reality in order to deflect conversation away from the core idea, but this opposition is actually ideological too (it's just more of an uphill battle to defend keeping water in private hands than most other commodities).

As a matter of fact all neoliberal "theories" crumple under their own weight surprisingly fast (EU's flavor in ordoliberalism with it's 3% deficit to GDP and 60% debt to GDP ratios being dazzling examples of idiocy) so you might be onto something, perhaps it's because they're not the product of rigorous research but instead attempts to justify something that is already there 🤔

[–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago