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After 20 years, World of Warcraft will now let players do solo raids (arstechnica.com)
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[–] interurbain1er@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I wasn't thinking of an AI generating the world map and dungeon. I was more thinking of an AI driving the agency of world actors. It doesn't have to have a complete theory of mind, a reactive AI or limited memory AI, aka "chess engine" could "simply" drive the opposing faction.

We could imagine a war scenario, where the AI plays one side and the players the opposite and the effect of war would naturally change the world. That town where the wiki tells you you could buy that cute horse? Well too bad the AI invaded it or reduced it to rubbles. The HQ where the commander is supposed to be, well it moved back 20 clicks after the last player attack, etc...

The AI doesn't really need to understand the purpose of its objective.

Of course it's a frigging huge undertaking, it would probably cost the GDP of a small country and need it's own nuclear powerplant to run (hello Microsoft!) but not impossible with today's tech.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

That's one thing I've always admired about Eve Online. It's an MMO that's almost entirely player driven. Various sectors of space change hands between different factions of players. That results in the sorts of things you're talking about. Unfortunately Eve has extremely boring space battles (for players, for watchers it can be fun), and a toxic community.

But, I've always wanted an RPG where the world evolved. To me, the key thing to make that realistic would be NPCs that didn't respawn. Like, if you killed a certain golden dragon named Gurnadom, that dragon was dead, gone, nobody else could kill it. There would be no Gurnadom killing guides because there was only ever one Gurnadom and only one group of players ever killed that dragon. There might be tips on killing golden dragons, but each dragon was unique so it wasn't a matter of watching videos and understanding the patterns. Each fight against a golden dragon could only happen at most once, and every fight was unique.

And, in any game involving war, there should be permanent destruction of things: fortresses that were attacked would take damage over time and eventually be turned into rubble. A side that's winning a war should be expanding its territory. As a result, where a player can safely go should depend on the progress of the war, which is something not programmed into the game, but player driven.

I'm just so tired of the WoW style of MMO where the player is "The Champion" who has saved the world multiple times... along with the hundreds of other nearby players who are all the one-and-only champion who also killed a certain raid boss over and over every week for a month.

[–] interurbain1er@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Oh and I never actually tried Eve. It was great to read summaries of the big events but actually playing it seemed more like a 9-5 job than a game.

I remember reading, a "how-to start in eve" and thinking "hell no, I'm already doing that shit in the office".

[–] interurbain1er@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

Yes, I totally and entirely agree with all of that. I also would love to see permanent impact of actions on the world and ditch player is the chosen one, hero of the ages paradigm like the 2k other players.

Let design a game together and we'll just need a 100 millions $ to produce it :D