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Colorism still existed and exists in Portugal. I'll grant that this is a more fluid system of discrimination than white supremacy which seems to make integration easier due to having less rigid sociopolitical structures, but it's still present!
I'm not at all denying Racism in Portugal.
I'm denying Racist Hate, even back in Fascist times: people were prejudiced about those in the "colonies" and even looked down on them but they didn't at all hate them.
People did (and still do, though less) go around with all sorts of prejudices about different looking people or people from other places, especially "Colorism" (though, curiously, in present day Portugal it's more the Brazilians that are discriminated against than people with Black African ancestry).
My point is that even during Fascism and the peak of the wars of liberation against Portugal in the "colonies" people didn't went around thinking that "Africans are human animals" or that "we should wipe them out" and ditto for the figures of the Regime, whilst the shit coming out of Israel and especially from the mouths of Ministers and politicians of the governing coalition is relentlessly racist and some form or other of mass murder are common suggested as "solutions" for the "Palestinian problem".
That level of extreme hate along racial lines is simply not the kind of thing traditional Fascism tries to indoctrinate into the population, whilst it's the core of ethno-Fascism and its Propaganda.
This is far from a "just Portugal" kind of thing: even the most violent traditional Fascist dictatorship - that of Franco in Spain - didn't engage in widespread violence against different ethnic groups (or, in fact, in any kind of "white supremacy" ideas) and its violence was mainly the period of Civil War at its start, which pitched mainly Spaniards against Spaniards.
I mean, if you want a present day example of traditional Fascist violence, just look at Russia in Ukraine: they're mostly trying to take Ukrainian shit and have the Ukrainians become Russians and work for the Russian regime, not to wipe them out in Ukraine. The violence is because the Ukrainians naturally refuse and there are certainly atrocities in war by the Russians and even vengeance against civilians using missiles following Russian defeats, and that's it. There is no such thing as a campaign to get rid of Ukrainians in by any means necessary no matter how murderous.
Absolutely, that too is evil shit. It's however more of a nation state version of Theft and Pillaging whilst what the Zionists and other ethno-Fascists do is Extermination, a whole different level of Evil.
I don't know enough about Portugal to argue with this. I know about French colonialism and the horrors they inflicted, and British colonialism and the horrors they inflicted, and those examples make me suspect that all colonialisms are going to produce the same horror.
But, I don't know for sure. Haven't read that history yet. I know there's a lot of extremely violent racism in Brazil's history, but that's technically not Portugal so I can't say for sure that reflects on Portugal itself.
Basically, I don't know enough to argue about this 😅
(also pay no attention to that down vote you got - I promise it wasn't me!)