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[–] bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Zelensky's defenders trying to paint it as a success because, however heavy Ukraine's losses, they are justified since Russia's were even heavier.

The entire conflict as seen by the west described in one sentence.

"Yes we turned the country into a mass prison and hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians died or got wounded - but more Russians died so it's a success".

[–] Tiefkuehlkost 3 points 2 months ago

I mean its gruesome but thats how a war of atrition works and how you win it, who controls one square kilometer more or less is quite irrelevant as that can change fast once one side collapses.

[–] FriendBesto@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Agreed. It makes sense that if you live in the West that you are going to get Western propaganda. What was a bit more surprising was the wall-to-wall level of psy-op grade propaganda coming from the Americans and of some of the other countries, like the Germans.

The reductionist mindset of a multi-layered, regional geopolitical situation was reduced to we, the Americans.NATO = the white-wearing good guys, Russians = bad guys.

I mean, it is not like this has not been done before and from all sides. Yet the level in which any valid criticism of what is essentially an exercise in NATO expansionism, and the repercussions of that push, which ends with the Ukrainians being used a cannon fodder as a way to weaken the Russian military is a prime example of a Machiavellian strategy, in my opinion.

Ukraine will be the one to pay the highest price, just like the Cubans have, in the inverse case, since the Cuban missile crisis. I was looking at a demographic chart of Ukraine and their population has taken a huge blow, either due to deaths or people fleeing the country. Now, who do you think is going to the all the contracts to rebuild everything back up, later on?

[–] gentooer@programming.dev 1 points 2 months ago

Russia launched a large scale invasion in a neighbouring country, making it pretty clear they are in the wrong. Furthermore, as someone who lives in a European country, I hope my country keeps supporting Ukraine. At least as European countries we need to be one block against the aggressor. As the US is an important ally with a lot of military capability, I hope they keep following us in our support for Ukraine.