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[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

But the 2nd amendment doesn't increase the cost of authoritarian action. DeSantis just sent rounds of police to people's homes for signing petitions to put abortion on the ballot in Florida.

The 2nd amendment didn't do jack shit to stop him from threatening people for their free speech. Because if a squad of a dozen cops lands on your front door, whether you like it or not you're either going to be shot, detained, your guns taken away, etc. Having a gun doesn't change that. You're fucked, gun or not, if the state sends armed personnel to your home.

And arguably you're more fucked if you have a gun because of how trigger happy cops are. The moment they think you're armed they'll shoot you.

[–] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I have 100% seen for myself cops shape their response out to places around where I live because the risk is not worth it to them. They focus on serious crimes and will flat refuse to go to do bs calls that are just minor neighbors disputes.

If DeSantis wants to put the state in marshal law he would have to convince the armed citizens of the state that that is ok, or expect violent resistance which again cops are people, and people don't like being shot, so expect hesitation on following some orders.

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If DeSantis wants to put the state in marshal law he would have to convince the armed citizens of the state that that is ok,

No he doesn't. All he has to do is send cops to people's homes, one by one, like he just did. Nobody is going to meaningfully stand up to the police if they take people one at a time, one house at a time.

so expect hesitation on following some orders.

There's no reason for there to be any more hesitation. Cops already believe themselves to be doing the most dangerous job, and they outgun you when they show up to your house. For them it's just another day.

[–] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That is what it means to be delayed and to be hesitant.

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Not really. They've got more than enough cops to hit more than one house at a time. In Florida they have about 50k cops. If they sent 10 at a time per house, that's 5000 homes they could invade at a time. That's not hesitant or delayed at all.

[–] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Those aren't all swat teams, the admin running the counter isn't coming in stomping ass on a moments notice. They aren't all just chilling in the catacombs waiting to march on a moments notice either.

If they did however mobilize to max effect, you don't think the arm population would immediately be on edge? That would be a full martial law order, which could be met with heavy resistance.

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

you don’t think the arm population would immediately be on edge?

Not meaningfully. As we've seen time and time again, the 2A crowd is perfectly content to allow the state to be as authoritarian as it likes, so long as it's hurting those pesky undesirables.

The 2A crowd didn't do shit when the 1985 move bombing happened. They didn't do shit when DeSantis started harrasing people with cops in their own homes for using their 1A rights. They didn't do shit when pro-palestinian protesters were getting the shit beat out of them by cops for using their 1A rights. They didn't do shit for the myriad of bullshit wars the U.S. was involved in. They didn't do shit when it came out how many countries the CIA destabilized in Latin America. The nth time will be no different.

The authoritarians have little to fear, because the group that likes to act like they would keep that in check fully support it.

[–] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

I think you maybe misunderstanding. I mean sure those are things libertarians who are also 2a supporters rail against and fight for those things, but yeah the people who are being targeted the most are the people need to exercise their 2a the most. If the only people armed are faciest or adjacent then only their rights and interests are protected by it. Without the 2a only the states rights and interests (police, DeSantis, etc) are protected with guns.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Right? You don't need rights to take up arms against the government, and rights aren't going to fucking help you if you try.

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

The hard part is getting people to join you to take a stand. To make real change it has to be a significant portion of the population demanding change.