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For context, Dick Cheney announced that he’ll be voting for Kamala Harris.

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[–] zarp86@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] immutable@lemm.ee 21 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

That’s the neat part, if you aren’t American you can agitate and tell people “don’t vote, voting for the lesser evil means you end up with slightly less evil and that’s bad, instead you should not vote or ignore mathematics existing and vote third party which is a fancy way of not voting” and then suffer no consequences.

Tell people not to vote and the party that wants to “hurt the right people” gets into power, doesn’t matter, those policies don’t touch foreign agitators.

I’ve been in the depths of the leftist circle jerk about this. You see if we all sat home on Election Day reading Marx, then the oligarchs who rule over us would see that no one is taking part in the charade anymore. Then those oligarchs who wield tremendous wealth and power would just give up, you know, the turnout too low. All those people refused to endorse the democratic farce any further and so clearly those with power would be so red faced with embarrassment they would voluntarily give up that power and abolish capitalism.

Those oligarchs certainly wouldn’t be delighted by the fact that the population is even cheaper and easier to control because people are sitting out. Nope, we will certainly show them by allowing them to dominate us with even more ease and at bargain prices, certainly that will end the system.

[–] vividspecter@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

if you aren’t American you can agitate and tell people “don’t vote, voting for the lesser evil means you end up with slightly less evil and that’s bad, instead you should not vote or ignore mathematics existing and vote third party which is a fancy way of not voting” and then suffer no consequences.

The entire planet suffers the consequences when Trump undoes all climate action and destabilises the world.

[–] foxontherocks@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago

Neither party takes positive climate action.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

ignore mathematics existing and vote third party which is a fancy way of not voting

I live in a blue state. Using this logic, my vote for Harris is the same as not voting, because my state is going to go blue regardless. It's mathematics.

[–] immutable@lemm.ee 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The mathematics I’m speaking of is that first past the post voting mechanisms result in two dominant parties and third parties being non viable.

You might not like that FPTP results in this, but that’s how math works.

Formally it’s called Duverger’s Law so if you don’t like it take it up with him.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works -2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

So, how does that show that voting for Stein is the same as not voting?

Duverger's Law just explains how the system works. It doesn't tell you who you should vote for.

You might not like that FPTP results in this, but that’s how math works.

Again, using the same logic, a vote for Harris in a blue state is the same as not voting.

"The math" says that it's impossible for my state to be anything but blue.

[–] pingveno@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

That works until it doesn't. Keeping your state out of play means Democrats can focus their limited resources on other states. Let it become a closer contest and Democrats may find themselves expending resources in areas that should be a slam dunk.