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Popular Israeli podcasters call to ‘erase every living being’ in Gaza and West Bank
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A few months ago I started using Google Translate to read what Israelis are saying amongst each other in their mainstream publications and forums.
My. God. Levels of entitlement and racism that would make a Klansman blush.
Sure, a lot of them want a cease-fire to get the hostages back ... and most don't like Netanyahu ... but the average Israeli Zionist is a racist monster.
You have to remember that the people who post comments on news articles are not average. Look at any English news site article and its full of the most bottom of the barrel idiots. The majority of people don't comment on things like this.
I'm not referring to powerless, mouth-breathing, NEETs who normally lurk forums.
But I'm referring to comments from actual members of the Israeli Knesset, public statements from people like the OP, printed editorials in mainstream publications, and modern Israeli celebrities.
When you read through the translations not meant for western audiences - the racism pops out disturbingly. It's such a part of their culture that they don't even notice it as such. Zionists really don't view people in the West Bank or Gaza as humans.
Quite a statement for using Google Translate. Interpreting words is difficult, doing so while using pretty bad translation service may lead you to the interpretation completely different from what was intended. Not saying they aren't nazis, just criticising your post.
Unless you can come up with a better translation, you're not offering critique, just you're just sowing doubt without backing evidence.
I find it highly unlikely there's an alternative translation here that we'd consider morally okay to say.
Sure, I'll try, can you share links where you saw them saying those things?
And it's the right thing to do. It's you who should provide evidence when you claim someone is a nazi, and we should doubt your words until you prove it.
Here's an article with some examples: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gaza-nakba-israels-far-right-palestinian-fears-hamas-war-rcna123909
Examples include:
The EU has even been considering sanctioning some of these ministers for hate speech. So please, try and keep up.
Thanks. Yeah, that's disgusting.
How fucking wrong a translation can go to change the interpretation to "we will make them watch the death of their babies and then we'll kill them too"
It's a good thing to keep in mind but it's a different culture, right now they can't decide if torture and rape of prisoners is okay.
Even republicans don't have the gall to say such shit out loud. Usually.
You have to remember that their religion teaches them that non-jewish humans are, well, 'not that important'
To put it mildly
Religion is a monstrous evil.
The vast majority of Jewish people in the world realize this is wrong and ignore this part of their ancient teachings. Don’t go shaming the whole religion over some violent extremists.
Israel was also secular when it was founded. Look it up. This is 100% on their government and right wing extremists and not Judiasm as a whole.
I do my best to always use the word Zionist before the word Israeli.
Israel's secularism is irrelevant to the overall racist ideology of Zionism that permeates Israeli society.
Why shouldn't I shame the religion because some people choose to ignore part of it?
Because if the majority of people following a particular religion reject a prior view as false or wrong, then arguably that view is no longer part of the religion.
Religions aren't crisp, unchanging, monolithic entities where everybody believes the same thing forever. If we're talking about judaism in the sense of the views and practices jewish people actually subscribe to, then that seems like we are referring to beliefs they actually hold in a mainstream/current sense, not beliefs they previous held but now reject?
So you're saying that because a religion allows you to choose which of God's commandments, carefully passed down through every generation, you personally want to follow based on your gut feeling, can't be shamed?
Why should the ones who choose to deny parts of their religion be seen as representative of it over those who've chosen to uphold them?
No, that is not what I said.
I definitely answered this in my original comment.
It's in the religion's text. "Judaism" is complicated as it can either mean religion, culture or ethnicity/race, but they said "religion teaches", so we can assume that they're referring to the practicing religious category.
Don’t forget a good chunk of those Israelis are also American.
We’re not sending our best.
As best I can tell, the most racist zionists are usually American-born Israelis.
This is quite disturbing, thank you for sharing. I forget that the localised cultural medias on both sides is likely the greater measure of reality but not within most people's awareness.