this post was submitted on 03 Sep 2024
1105 points (96.5% liked)

Technology

59099 readers
3213 users here now

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.


Our Rules


  1. Follow the lemmy.world rules.
  2. Only tech related content.
  3. Be excellent to each another!
  4. Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
  5. Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
  6. Politics threads may be removed.
  7. No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
  8. Only approved bots from the list below, to ask if your bot can be added please contact us.
  9. Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed

Approved Bots


founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] gcheliotis@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago (34 children)

A market agency claiming they do something of the sort isn’t proof that conversations are being monitored en masse. Security researchers can and probably have tested for this and found no clear, verifiable evidence, otherwise we would have known. Also, this stuff can be blocked at the OS level and I find it hard to imagine (esp. without solid proof) that Google or Apple would jeopardize their reputations to this extent by enabling such unauthorized listening in on users’ conversations.

Of course it’s good to keep watching this space but we shouldn’t jump to conclusions.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (17 children)

They have it's very easy there are free programs that monitor all data traffic.

This claim that Facebook listens to you on your phone has been around for years. It has been investigated numerous times and has never turned out to be true. Until recently the processing capacity required would have been insane and you would have an incredibly high noise to signal ratio. It's just not an economical way of gathering data for advertising.

Why bother anyway when people put their entire lives on Facebook, for free, in easily processable text?

[–] homicidalrobot@lemm.ee 8 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Your phone/plan carrier using voice data to make a marketing profile is well documented actually. This data is purchased and verified and resold by meta, or in some cases bought and used by alphabet for GAS. Cacti can show you outgoing data for every device on a network, and you can see data being sent from a phone in signed packets going to your carrier when you're not "actively using" it. It seems like you know about network monitoring tools but you haven't actually used them, just talked about them in reference to data collection.

"Why buy the cow" here is also easily answered: not everyone uses Facebook, a fair number of users will deactivate their facebook page but continue to use messenger.

[–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Can you share this well documented documents?

[–] homicidalrobot@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The july 2017 verizon data leak was made public.

[–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, with lots of leaked customer data. Nothing about using voice data to make a marketing profile. Unless there is a second leak I don't know about.

But judging by your inability to link it you just made it up.

[–] homicidalrobot@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Please think about what you've just confirmed about yourself

[–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

I confirmed you made it up and can't link a source.

[–] Xatolos@reddthat.com 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So what you're saying is the biggest companies like Amazon, Google, ChatGPT, etc... can't perfect voice dictation when I'm talking directly and clearly to my device, but this company has been able to figure it out. And doing it while hiding from the smartphone OS that it's doing it. While the device is at a distance/hidden in my pocket. And is using it just to sell ads.

👍

[–] homicidalrobot@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] Xatolos@reddthat.com -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Your comment? I'm pretty sure yeah it was, and a really old one

[–] homicidalrobot@lemm.ee -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I asked because it was nonsensical and could have been funny if you were imitating the typical internet child comment but here we are with you making no sense and me disappointed

[–] Xatolos@reddthat.com 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Really?... Wow, not only did you copy pasta one of the oldest trolls online but you can't understand how illogical the troll is. And you want to accuse me of being a child?

Your comment was disproved here.... In 2018. And it wasn't a new idea then either.

[–] homicidalrobot@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Hey! You can't read after all! Rember when I explicitly posted that you can sniff packets going to your phone provider and not these companies? You have zero reading comprehension and a bad attitude, and it's obvious you're more interested in being right than being correct. If googling unrelated drivel articles to a discussion gets you off, you do you I guess

[–] Xatolos@reddthat.com 0 points 2 months ago

I'm sorry I proved you wrong to the point you had to resolve yourself to personal attacks. Do you feel better now?

load more comments (13 replies)
load more comments (29 replies)