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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Serious question because it is relevant to the discussion, do you currently have a job?

Yes, full-time, though the plight of the unemployed and unhoused is equally important. Not telling you any more, not doxxing myself. Additionally, it absolutely is not relevant.

Do you live in one of these western countries?

Yes.

What is your personal frame of reference that tells you you’d have a better life than where you are in Cuba or Laos or North Korea?

The US is a dying Empire. It has no long-term future, conditions are worsening. Disparity is rising and will continue to do so, and Real Wages will continue to stagnate. The world is already throwing the US off their backs at increasing rates.

Meanwhile, Socialism has stable growth over time that doesn't depend on self-destructive systems like Capitalism or Imperialism.

I believe in socialism, it’s been incorporated into democracy quite well actually and provided significant quality of life for its citizens.

Social Democracy is not Socialism. I am not talking about Capitalism where "the government does some extra stuff." Social Democracy in the Global North depends on Imperialism to support itself, and worker protections are crumbling as disparity rises. Social Democracy is a temporary concession.

Communism on the other hand has largely always moved to an authoritarian beat, China and Laos and Cuba and North Korea are all prime examples of this in the present day. Much like the two party system in the USA has hindered its democracy I don’t see how a one party system with strong central rule is not a HUGE step back from that. At least we have a semblance of choice and the mechanisms to fix what is broken.

Do you actually know how these countries function, democratically and politically? This isn't a gotcha, I want to know to what extent you're familiar so we can even begin to talk about them. Even then, North Korea isn't a One-Party State.

Why do you prefer a form of government that takes choice away from its citizens?

I don't, that's why I am a Communist and not a Liberal. Come on, this was a useless gotcha.

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works -2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

In what communist nation are there free elections?

I don’t understand this mental gymnastics.

You’re talking about the benefits of socialism while advocating for communism but my questions have been about communism.

In what communist nation do you have free elections?

In what communist nation do the people actually choose their leadership, instead of a “elite (but remember communism is supposed to be classless…) group that elects the leaders”?

Communism is a novel idea BUT it hasn’t done a very good job demonstrating its benefits to the world. That’s the unfortunate reality of the situation.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

All of them practice democracy. What do you mean by "free?" Is that a vibe, where if Socialist = false, Capitalist = true?

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works -2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I’m not talking about socialism.

I’m talking about communism.

This post is about communism.

You’re advocating for communism.

The terms are not interchangeable.

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The terms were used interchangeably by Marx.

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works -4 points 2 months ago

So we’ve decided socialism was invented by Marx then?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago

You are talking about Socialism, Communism is the status after Socialism. "Communism" as a status hasn't been achieved, as it must be global, so we are talking about Socialism, and Marxism, the path to build Communism.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago

If only you spent even a fraction of time you've spent trolling here actually educating yourself on the subject.