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[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

In this interpretation, the IDF felt there might be an attack incoming, and prevented it’s adversary from doing so by striking first.

The idf assasinated top general Fuad Shukr in Beirut, far from the Lebanese border.

This is like if Hezbollah bombed Yoav Gallant in Tel Aviv. And then Hezbollah starts bombing israeli airports "pre-emptively" because "an israeli attack" (retaliation) is coming.

Hitting someone and then hitting them again because you expect them to hit back does not seem very " self defensy" or "pre-emptive" te me.

[–] Spzi@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This is like if Hezbollah bombed Yoav Gallant in Tel Aviv. And then Hezbollah starts bombing israeli airports “pre-emptively” because “an israeli attack” (retaliation) is coming.

Yes, exactly. They had good reasons to assume the other side is angry and might do something violent, because they themselves just did something very violent to them! So to protect themselves, they deprive their opponents of means of retaliation. Pre-empting the retaliation.

Hitting someone and then hitting them again because you expect them to hit back does not seem very " self defensy" or “pre-emptive” te me.

I get you. I would totally agree if this was about a school dispute. However in war, there are a number of things which can be done in self defense or to pre-empt an enemy attack which might seem counterintuitive at first, like for example destroying your own infrastructure, or investing in weapons with the intent to never use them.

In war, an attacker can very well attack again to defend themselves and/or to pre-empt the enemy reaction.

If you could hire one of two generals to protect your country; one which considers pre-emptive follow-up attacks and one who would rather let the other side strike back because it seems fair, who would you hire?

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -3 points 2 months ago

Words like "defense" are used for israel. Words like "attack" are used for people defending themselves against israel.

This is because "defense" looks noble and "attack" looks violent and is associated with the aggressor of a conflict. Our media purposely chooses these words to subconsciously brainwash people. It is no coincidence these words are never swapped.

There's a good reason the "ministry of War" is called the "ministry of Defense" now.

Of course these propaganda outlets also regularly make up lies for israel and let IDF soldiers write articles for them.