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Weird how every time veganism comes up everyone is suddenly deathly allergic to anything that doesn't scream when it dies
You mean every time that a vegan uses whatever tenuous link to the current topic they can imagine exists to bring up veganism?
Post: animals have emotions
Comment: we shouldn't kill things with emotions
I dunno seems pretty related. And when we're feeling a lot of empathy for animals is probably the best time to think about these issues
And then when someone brings a topic to discussion related to these issues
"I can't be vegan, i'm allergic to a lot of stuff", suddenly it's not about having a discussion anymore but rather to push one side of the story without consideration for others.
You can still care about animal cruelty and be ethical, even if you have an allergy. Having a medical condition doesn't give you a free pass to do whatever you want.
You can still care about ethics and animal safety, and you are allowed to avoid foods you cannot eat due to allergy, even if that comes at an unfortunate cost
Vegans complaining about other people needlessly injecting themselves into conversations is peak copium.
I'm deathly allergic to evangelism.
Cows are deathly allergic to knives
Funny how you're still alive, seems there's no one being evangelical
I really wish alpha gal allergy was more prevalent.
Maybe one day I'll stop reading "alpha gal" as a female alpha male
Stuff from milk, mushrooms and eggs don’t scream, so do a lot of salads and olive oil, even rice is silent.
And don’t start with those industrial cows that only get to live because of the milk. That stuff tastes like shit. Same with those chickens in cages.
I'm pretty sure, that both cow and calf are screaming when they are separated shortly after birth. Alnost like a mother and her baby have an emotional bond.
And even the smallest farm will absolutely kill them once they aren't profitable anymore, or they'd have an ever increasing population of animals.
Ummm.... We don't typically have just one pen or pasture for the animals. The males and females are typically kept separate from each other, except for when we specifically want more animals.
Cattle are artificially inseminated when farmers want more, they don't get put all together
We didn't have cattle. Just horses, sheep, goats, chickens, ducks, a couple turkeys, and rabbits.... Tons of rabbits accidentally one time. We let them do their thing when we wanted more.
The context was factory farming in general and cows in particular. I'm glad you didn't kill the animals your family raised, though!
https://yourveganfallacyis.com/en/eating-dairy-products-is-not-unethical
your link implies that male calves all become veal, but the vast majority of male calves are brought to full weight before slaughter.
is that supposed to make it better or are you being a pedant?
i'm pointing out that you're spreading misinformation.
i object to your characterization, and it does nothing to either bolster your own claim nor undercut my own. it's a simple ad hominem.
On second thought youre probably really young in which case I want to apologise. You're right that I neither argued for the claim in the link nor against your claim, I don't care about either of them since their irrelevant to the main point. Word of advice though, these kind of "fallacy debates" about irrelevant details are not productive I have never witnessed someone being swayed by it. Find something you actually care about then argue about that. Argue why you care for it, people are much more convinced by emotion than some stylized formal argument.
truth. i care about what is true.
Try something material. Something that has an effect in your material context.
i don't tell you what to value. please extend the same courtesy.
another attack on identity. try to stay with the topic at hand. who i am has no bearing on the truth of my statements or yours.
Another debate term. I'm not arguing with you. I don't care about the truth value of that statement since it's irrelevant to the point that I wanted to make. Please stop seeing every conversation through the lense of which fallacy can be applied. Not everything is a debate.
You'll see it's a much more freeing and fun way to interact with people, I promise.
if you don't care about whether what i said is true, and alli did was state a fact, then why are you responding at all? it seems to me you very much want to discourage me from keeping the discussion truthful, and i speculate it is because the facts damage your own position.
didn't this start because you were linking fallacies??
frankly, i don't. i'm happy correcting the record.
Some people can also just have health issues, but i get your point
Plants scream when they die, we just don't notice it. They release all sorts of pheromone type chemicals that warn other plants that there is danger. That's definitely a scream.
I'm not saying eating meat is better, I'm just saying that seemingly the only truly ethical things to eat are raw minerals, and I don't believe that's possible, other than salt. Salt seems to be the only tasty rock.
Graphics cards totally scream when they die too, the smell warns their symbiotic sysadmins to turn off the power
And don't even get me started on how chalkboards scream when you scratch them, why do vegans not talk about this cruelty
Some sanity.